No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs

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No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs

 Sincere apologies if this has been answered before, but I can't find a reply that exactly fits my problem. I've been using Cakewalk for many years, but this is the first time I've tried to use X2 with a 64-bit OS (Windows 7) and a set of EastWest libraries - Complete Composers Collection, supplied in its own HDD, which is fitted as an internal drive in the computer. I may have goofed up the installation, but I can't get SONAR to find my libraries. I've asked it to scan the internal drive - and also an external one where there are two further libraries, installed some time ago, when I was still on XP. These, also, don't get picked up by SONAR; they did on XP.) A Windows search for the term "vstplugins" comes up with nothing, but I have found the folder manually in Program Files (but not, I notice, in Program Files (x86)). CCC works reasonably well standalone, so the libraries are all present and correct - it's just that I can't get them to be picked up by SONAR. Is it simply a matter of transferring files from somewhere (if so, from where?) to the Program Files/vstplugins folder - and/or moving the whole list to Program Files (x86)?
post edited by Gareth_Glyn - 2012/10/21 12:44:44
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    daveny5
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 13:14:09 (permalink)
    You need to do a VST scan in Sonar. Go to Preferences-File-VST Settings. In the VST Scan Folders section you need to add the folders where the library is installed. You may be able to just put the drive letter since they are on their own drive. You'll have to add the drive and folder for the ones on your other drive. Then click the Scan VST Folders button.

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    Gareth_Glyn
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 13:40:20 (permalink)
    I'm afraid I've already tried this - the VST Scan folder window shows C:\Program Files\cakewalk\vstplugins D:\play libraries [this is the one with 6 libraries in it] I:\Gypsy library [this is one of the two libraries on the ext. HDD] But they still don't show up on the list of available VSTs, even after I've run a scan. (I set out the above paths with carriage returns on this message, but it looks like they get stripped out when the message is sent.)
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 13:49:14 (permalink)
    Look for an entry labeled "play_VST_x64" in the Cakewalk Plugin Manager under the category "VST Instruments (VSTi)" . This is the player that allows you to access all libraries you have purchased a license for. You won't find individual VSTs for your libraries. I believe this is what is happening to you according to my understanding of your issue. Hope this solves your issue. Good luck!  
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 13:59:11 (permalink)
    Alegria


    Look for an entry labeled "play_VST_x64" in the Cakewalk Plugin Manager under the category "VST Instruments (VSTi)" . This is the player that allows you to access all libraries you have purchased a license for. You won't find individual VSTs for your libraries. I believe this is what is happening to you according to my understanding of your issue. Hope this solves your issue. Good luck!  

    Leave your libraries where they are!!!!! Don't copy them onto your system hard drive!

    Yes, what Alegria said.... you only see ONE Play_VST_x64 (assuming you installed PLAY x64 correctly).  When this is chosen the Play interface will open with the last library you used but will change according to where you go in the Play Browser. If you've included the hard drive with your libraries on it in the list of drives to scan for VST's you're wasting your time.  Installed correctly, the VST for play should be in the ...program files/cakewalk/vst... directory with your other 64bit vst's.  SONAR doesn't need to know where your libraries are... PLAY does.  Make sure you have installed the PLAY x64 and not the PLAY x32.


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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 14:03:07 (permalink)

    When you inserted the softsynth, did you check all of the folders called VST Instruments, VSTplugins, etc. It could be in one of those. Also, make sure your iLOK security key is installed. 

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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 14:08:01 (permalink)
    "daveny5"
    Also, make sure your iLOK security key is installed.


    "Gareth_Glyn"
    CCC works reasonably well standalone, so the libraries are all present and correct

    This also confirms that your iLok is rock & roll.
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 14:45:42 (permalink)
    Guys, I'm indebted to you all for your help and guidance. Play_VST_x64 doesn't appear anywhere in the dropdown menus in the Manager. I'm beginning to think I didn't install something correctly - certainly I hadn't purchased the SONAR X2 (or reinstalled an older version of SONAR, which I wouldn't have anyway because of the new OS) when I was installing the CCC hard/software, so it's possible I just skipped a step which asked for plugin details. Is there a way of rerunning the installer so I can correct this? It now looks like a PLAY issue now rather than a Cakewalk one.
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 16:12:36 (permalink)
    You've stated that the standalone version works, so you must of done something right, right? 

    What I'm curious about is where could that "play_VST_64.dll" (the plugin) be located? Can you search your C drive for that file assuming you've installed PLAY (the player, not the libraries) on this drive and accepted the default installation location for the plugin. I would do this before anything else. Let us know the outcome.
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 16:40:42 (permalink)
    I don't think that will show up in a Windows Search.

    I just did a search for 'Dimension Pro x64', for which there are 2 entries with that name within the VSTPlugins folder within Cakewalk program folder.  One entry is for the dll, and the other is for the executable.

    Only the executable Dimension Pro x64.exe returns in the search.

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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 17:16:25 (permalink)

    According to the website, 


    Attention Windows 7 Users: To use the current version of PLAY within Windows 7 you will have to download and install the latest Play installer from our Updates page.

    The Windows installers have been updated to include the latest pace drivers for Windows 7.  Please make sure you are using Play within a Windows 7 supported host.
    IMPORTANT!
    If you are installing a product from disc, and if prompted to keep the newer version of the TPKD driver during the install, select 'NO'. After installing from disc rerun the latest PLAY update.




    post edited by daveny5 - 2012/10/21 17:34:42

    Dave
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 18:37:38 (permalink)
    I had updated PLAY to the latest version; however, I don't think it's located in my C: drive but rather in the HDD on which the libraries came preloaded - a second hard drive in my computer. I've rerun the PLAY installer, but it doesn't seem to give me a choice as to location. Problem is, I can't find where it actually *is* - a Windows 7 search (and it is very different from the XP engine I knew so well) suggests it resides in My Folders, within a sub-folder My Favorites, but that folder is empty. HOWEVER - A search throughout 'in computer' for "play_VST_x64.dll" (I've only just learned how to do this in Windows 7) yields the result: C:\Program Files\Common Files\East West\VSTplugins. I typed this into the relevant place in the Plugin Manager - and kapow! I was in! There was the familiar PLAY interface, and I was able to play the virtual keyboard successfully (i.e. the correct sounds came out of the speakers etc.). However, it didn't show up on the meters in SONAR; conversely, playing the MIDI keyboard *did* show on the meters, and was able to record MIDI data in the tracks.... but I can't hear anything. So, thanks to you guys, I'm 90% of the way there. Once I grasp the concept of getting MIDI and the VSTs to communicate (and I was able to do this before, in XP days), I'll be there. Once more, thanks all.
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 20:07:45 (permalink)
    You're welcome. Glad you found it and don't worry about the learning curve, we all get there eventually. 
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    Re:No vstplugins folder to be found anywhere; can't get Sonar to find EastWest VSTs 2012/10/21 21:10:12 (permalink)
    My guess is you need to set the Output of the MIDI track to the Play VST. Then you have to load a sample into Play so it has something to play. Its the same with Dimension Pro. When you insert it, you still have to load a patch so it has a sample set to play. 

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