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No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
Hi together, i've the new Sonar Professional Version. I've noticed, that the QuadCurve EQ has no zoom Function. In Sonar X3 the EQ equipped with zoom. Without zoom it is stupid. Comes a change??? P.S. Sorry for my bad english - i am from germany...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 08:20:56
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 08:23:02
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☼ Best Answerby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2015/05/11 14:15:46
I'm afraid the QuadCurve EQ zoom function is Platinum only, as it was Producer-only in X3 (maybe you upgraded from there?) It's stated on the following page, near the bottom, in the Pro Channel section... http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions Hope that helps...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 10:17:24
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subtlearts I'm afraid the QuadCurve EQ zoom function is Platinum only, as it was Producer-only in X3 (maybe you upgraded from there?) It's stated on the following page, near the bottom, in the Pro Channel section... http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions Hope that helps...
That really sucks. The EQ is essential to all versions of Sonar and the flyout option is the only thing that makes it usable for me. Time for a feature request.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 11:33:58
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It was only implemented in X3 Pro. All that time before it was not there to be missed. It was a feature request for a long time.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 11:58:37
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It's a premium Sonar ProChannel feature. Only Professional and Platinum versions have ProChannel and only Platinum has the Eq fly out.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 12:32:34
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Not very professional, the professional-users to withhold this feature...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 12:43:04
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but just discovered that elastic audio (audio snap) is not available in Artist, but it's never mentined or made clear in the Sonar site.
Sneaky, cheap sales tactics.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 13:11:18
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☄ Helpfulby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2015/05/11 14:16:21
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 13:36:38
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/28 13:52:29
Another way to look at it is if a feature is important to you than you should have been willing to pay for it as everyone else has.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:10:54
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John http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions The listing of features notes no audio snap for Artist.
Not really. It's the opposite: New! Audio Snap Enhancements That implies that Audio Snap is available for all versions, but the improvements ("enhancements") are only for Professional and Platinum.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:13:36
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John Another way to look at it is if a feature is important to you than you should have been willing to pay for it as everyone else has.
That's the way everyone feels. No need for the deceptive marketing and "knickel-and-dime-ing". Quad Curve not opening to a working size is as petty as it gets. The feature is there, but you can't use it!!!!
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:15:58
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Maybe it's time for Cakewalk to compare versions and make it clear when features are present but crippled or just not present. Asterisk time.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:28:31
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irvin That implies that Audio Snap is available for all versions, but the improvements ("enhancements") are only for Professional and Platinum.
I can see where it could be taken that way, although I don't think there was any intent to deceive. AudioSnap was introduced in SONAR 6 and has never a part of the entry-level version, so Cakewalk probably assumed "everyone knows that." But with all the new users coming onboard, not everyone does know that. I'll ping Andrew. I also noticed a typo on that page  . As to the flyout, I rarely use it because I adjust EQ with my ears, and the ProChannel graph has enough resolution for that. The flyout is useful for diagnostics (and screen shots for magazines, because it reduces better in size!) but something like Voxengo Span, which is free, does the job for real-time analysis.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:34:13
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Perhaps the argument is; people who has other and (better/as good as) EQ's, may choose not to use what is in Sonar anyway. If you have no other choice, then upgrade to Cakewalk's high end Sonar.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 14:43:30
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There are plenty of free EQ options. The free MEqualizer includes a spectrum analyzer, the paid version adds a spectrum sonogram. It is part of the MFreeEffectsBundle.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 15:52:02
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I like the fly-out EQ a lot, I find it very handy to have at hand. I also try hard to use my ears to make judgements, and not get too drawn in by the pretty pictures, but I simply find the controls easier to deal with at that scale, and easier to dial in precise changes. I also like to have it immediately at hand on every channel without having to call it up as an effect. This was one of the main reasons I paid a bit more for Platinum. Even though I have other EQs and can duplicate the functionality - it's a workflow thing, and for me it's important and worth the extra. Of course, Platinum comes with a few other perks as well, so it works out in the end. I'll have to see if I still feel it's worth that much more at the end of this first year of membership...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 16:42:03
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irvin Maybe it's time for Cakewalk to compare versions and make it clear when features are present but crippled or just not present. Asterisk time. 
I looked over the comparisons of the three versions, and it seems to me only the AudioSnap listing could be ambiguous. I suggested changing to "AudioSnap (New! now with enhancements)." That way I think it's clear the feature refers to AudioSnap itself, but that it has been enhanced.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 16:44:16
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irvin Quad Curve not opening to a working size is as petty as it gets. The feature is there, but you can't use it!!!!
I'm pretty sure Cakewalk had to pay to get the ProChannel EQ modified, so users have to pay to cover the cost of adding that feature. I suppose one could also argue that if you don't use it, you shouldn't have to pay for it but it's simply not practical to do an a la carte SONAR version.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/05/11 16:49:15
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There are plenty of EQs bundled with DAWs that don't have a graphic plot at all. Sheesh all those "vintage" recreations are just knobs. I do understand being bummed, and admittedly I use the flyout all the time, but saying that not having it makes it unusable or is somehow deficient doesn't really hold up.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 06:42:42
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This kind of sucks, as I just purchased Professional, and really need the EQ fly-out function. If i have X3 installed alongside will the feature maybe also be available in Professional? Just a though...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 11:07:03
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CynicalDude This kind of sucks, as I just purchased Professional, and really need the EQ fly-out function.
Why? Is it the spectrum analyzer aspect or the "bigger knobs" aspect? I have Platinum, but the only time I find the flyout essential is to create screen shots for articles and such because it looks cooler.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 11:39:31
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Anderton Why? Is it the spectrum analyzer aspect or the "bigger knobs" aspect? I have Platinum, but the only time I find the flyout essential is to create screen shots for articles and such because it looks cooler.
Maybe to be able to easily see and manipulate what's going on ? I sincerely doubt cakewalk went to the trouble of building the flyout option just for cool looking screen shots. I also considered going from X3P to Professional, it would be perfect for me who only wants bug fixes to X3P, but I didn't want to lose the bigger eq and luckily I noticed in time that it was only available in Platinum.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 12:31:32
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I had a comment in another 'line' that talked about the different upgrades. Not the first time CW gave something new and took something away. No condemnation. Just observation. One note says we should not have to pay for what we already had, and another says it is an upgrade and needs to be paid for. Which is it. We already have paid for it. To add it to another version and charge again for it. (If they need third party intervention). I thought they already had it. On well. Is the EQ just a module that can be moved across like other modules. Why does it loose the zoom ability
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 13:07:48
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I must admit it does seem kind of weird that the flyout is only available in Platinum and not Professional. I can understand them excluding entire ProChannel modules in cheaper versions but this is pretty much giving someone half a module instead of the full version. If you're going to include the Quadcurve then give 'em the whole Quadcurve.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 13:23:00
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I use the flyout on the eq all the time and it is my preferred way of working with it. it is not essential, but once you have it, I could see missing it. Just because some of you don't use it does not make it less valuable to someone who does. Now the question the OP has to decide is how valuable? Worth paying for?
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 13:45:29
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That feature is only one of many reasons to go full Platinum...
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 14:52:02
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I noticed this issue some time ago. My solution was to buy Waves H-EQ. It's very similar to the quad curve but has more features, i.e. instead of 4 EQ modes you get 7 and they are assignable by EQ band. There have only been 2 Platinum exclusive features added since last January. This January I will look at my annual renewal and decide between Plat and Pro.
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 15:14:07
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Paul P Maybe to be able to easily see and manipulate what's going on ? I don't know, that's why I asked why he "really needed" it. I don't recall anyone saying the QuadCurve was difficult to adjust before the flyout so I tend to doubt that's the main reason...but I won't know until the person responds. The flyout adds a bunch of features in addition to the spectrum analyzer: - Correlating frequencies to keyboard notes
- Input and output metering
- Readout in frequency and dB of where the cursor sits
- Ignores graph resolution setting, so you can always have it set to 18 dB while the PC module is set to something else
Because I feel I don't need the flyout, if someone really needs it, I might be missing out on something important that I would find helpful. That's why I'm hoping for some kind of reply that actually addresses my question. Of course if it's just "I have a hard time seeing the PC module," that would make sense too. I sincerely doubt cakewalk went to the trouble of building the flyout option just for cool looking screen shots. Of course not. I never stated or implied Cakewalk built the flyout for cool-looking screen shots. I was simply describing what was the best part about for me. Sometimes you'll get a response more easily if you start the discussion because then someone will go "Well the best part for me is..."
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Re: No zoom in QuadCurve EQ. Why?
2015/11/28 15:23:20
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ampfixer There have only been 2 Platinum exclusive features added since last January. This January I will look at my annual renewal and decide between Plat and Pro.
I think you've defined the main difference. If you renewed one-time for $150, you got VocalSync and Drum Replacer. If you renewed for Professional, it was $100 so basically you were paying $25 for VocalSync and $25 for Drum Replacer. That would be a great deal for whoever needs those two "big features," but not worth $50 to someone who doesn't.
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