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2014/06/01 12:20:53 (permalink)

Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks

Suddenly, I'm getting what sounds like ground noise during my mixdown exports. I've disabled Buss FX, tried muting different tracks, all to no avail. When I'm playing back the mix live in Sonar, no noise issues, when I record in alternate software, no noise whatsoever. Only when I export a final mix, does it show up. I never had this issue before, so  I must have did something to make this issue appear, but what? Here's the link to a sample of the noise
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/01 20:07:02 (permalink)
This is a shot in the dark, but it might have something to do with your Export Audio settings.  Give us some details on the Export settings you're using, along with some specs for your PC and audio interface.  You didn't really give us much to work with to help you.  The sound might be from a bit-rate or sample-rate conversion, or perhaps from something in the ProChannel, if you only disabled the FX Bin, for instance.
 
More info would help us help you better.
 
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 00:26:54 (permalink)
Ok, here's some more input, sorry for not including first time,
Win 7 64 bit
Dell xps 8300 Quad core
8mb Ram
Audio Interface: Roland Quad Capture
Sonar preferences
driver mode: ASIO dithering triangular
Export @24 or 16 bit no change in noise at either export settings
64 bit engine
Sample rate 44100
Last mix, I disabled not only FX bin, but pro channel as well. Same noise. Keep in mind, I have been using the same settings for years, and now the noise has shown up, it's really baffling...
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 12:29:32 (permalink)
You might try a different dithering algorithm.  There are several to choose from.  Just a shot in the dark.

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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 16:49:59 (permalink)
Does this happen with every project or just a specific project?
 
Are you using Virtual Instruments in the project?  If so, try disabling them and try a test export.
 
Do you get the noise if you export a single audio track?
 
Which preset are you using in the Export Audio window?  Is it one of the "What you Hear" options or something different?  Either way, try a different preset, preferably one that takes the export directly from the Master track.
 
Make sure the Inputs on all your tracks are set to None in case the sound might be coming from your interface.
 
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 20:32:03 (permalink)
Well, a breakthrough, kind of...After hours of enabling/disabling FX, pro channel, tracks, sends, etc, I've found out where the noise is coming from at least. I should start by describing my workflow that UNTIL LATELY has worked flawlessly for me. My primary instrument is guitar and I record direct with no FX and monitor amp sounds through my mixer even though they're not printed to the track, that way, I can go back and decide which amp sim sounds best for that particular track. I also use MIDI drums and bass each through it's appropriate sampler, i.e. Triolgy, BFD or whatever. With this workflow I am free to change things on the fly if I want to try something different. I like to keep things unprinted so I can tweak as I go. Here's where the noise is SUDDENLY coming from. In a last ditch effort, I tried freezing all the tracks before export and as you have probably guessed, no noise. So the noise is being added by Sonar as it processes the samplers when they are live during export. The thing that puzzles me is why now? It never did this before. I haven't changed any settings and never had an issue. So now I have to add a whole bunch of freezing of tracks before each export now if I want a clean track. I wonder if there's any way to make Sonar behave like it used to because this adds a lot of extra work each time I want to export a mix. And it still doesn't answer the question of where is the noise coming from?
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 21:35:01 (permalink)
Glad you found the issue.  You might not need to freeze all your tracks.  Try freezing just the track(s) with an amp sim and see if the problem goes away.  I'd suspect it could be from a particular amp sim component.  Are you using an amp model or pedal you've never used before?  
 
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/02 21:56:53 (permalink)
Nope tried that Kenn. Muted everything except the drums, but kept them live. Noise. Froze the drums. No noise. Same with bass. It has nothing to do with the guitar or the amp sim, that was my first guess, but I was wrong. Three questions still remain, 1. Why did this start all of a sudden? 2. What's causing it? 3. Can I fix it?
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/03 11:37:31 (permalink)
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Nope tried that Kenn. Muted everything except the drums, but kept them live. Noise. Froze the drums. No noise. Same with bass. It has nothing to do with the guitar or the amp sim, that was my first guess, but I was wrong. Three questions still remain, 1. Why did this start all of a sudden? 2. What's causing it? 3. Can I fix it?


Doesn't this kind of point the finger at your drums?
What happens if you export just the unfrozen drums with everything else muted?

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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/03 12:31:04 (permalink)
No, not at all, not just the drums, it doesn't matter what the instrument is, drums, guitar, bass, anything, the results are the same, live tracks during export = noise, frozen tracks during export = no noise.
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/03 14:21:54 (permalink)
Have you tried disabling/enabling Fast Bounce during export?
 

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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/03 19:30:38 (permalink)
Yep, that was about number 4 in the sequence of elimination steps. No difference.
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/04 07:41:47 (permalink)
Have you tried exporting without dithering? (And obviously no bit reduction)

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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/04 08:52:44 (permalink)
sounds a little like a bad ground.
 
are you using anything when mixing down that you don't use during other operations ?
a light maybe ? a outboard effects rack ?
 
sounds almost florescent.
 
I find in these cases, sometimes, not always.. its the obvious, its something right in front of us that we wouldn't have even thought about.
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/09 15:25:45 (permalink)
I don't see where the grounding would be an issue, there's no ground noise in the live tracks and only when I'm exporting is where the noise is added, and that's being done at high speed. And again, if the tracks are frozen prior to export there's no noise at all ground or otherwise. I'm going to bite the bullet and try a Sonar patch update and see if that works.
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/09 16:12:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/06/10 10:31:23
What version of X3 are you on? Are you using the Console Emulator?
 
I seem to recall the first couple patches (a, b...) were getting complaints about some kind of noise when the Console Emus (or maybe it was the new Tape Sim) were being used. It was fixed by one of the patches (X3c I think). I also remember something about disabling the 64 bit double precision engine in preferences helping some people get rid of it in the meantime (but not all). I did not experience any of that though and it was many months ago.
 
So yeah... definitely try patching.
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/10 13:19:15 (permalink)
Very good point Beeps...  The issue was using the Console Emulator with the 64bit double precision option enabled.  However, it's possible to keep the 64bit option disabled during playback but still have it checked on just for export (that's what I do).
 

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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/10 13:34:54 (permalink)
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Very good point Beeps...  The issue was using the Console Emulator with the 64bit double precision option enabled.  However, it's possible to keep the 64bit option disabled during playback but still have it checked on just for export (that's what I do).
 




Are you still experiencing a problem with this, Steve? I thought that was long gone by now.
 
I never experienced it though (and did test it with "b", "c" and I think even "a" for the brief period I had it installed). The only PC noise weirdness I'm getting is from pressing the power button on the Concrete Limiter but I'm starting to think that has something to do with an instance of the Tape Emulator downstream... but I may try disabling 64bit just to see what that does.
 
 
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Re: Noise from X3 from mixdown tracks 2014/06/11 12:16:42 (permalink)
No, I'm not - I was just pointing that out for the OP's sake since it seemed to be a very logical reason for his issues (pre-X3e).  
 

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