Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop?

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Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop?

I mainly use Sonar to record and edit vocals, while using Reason 4 to create all of my music. However, since reason offers no realistic sounding guitar refills, I've been stuck without guitar in my music for a long time. I have a pretty nice Seagull S6 acoustic guitar, got it very cheap from a guy a few years ago. Sounds amazing. But... piano is my thing, not guitar. I'm good enough to play the chords I need, but not at a constant rate. There's no way I can keep tempo, or make clean transitions.

The obvious answer is practice. I have been, for about a year and half, but I'm still awful at it.

I know with Reason, since everything is MIDI, you can quantize things. Is there some way I can do this in Sonar with my guitar?

For instance - play as much as I can keep up with, "quantize" it, loop it, and place it where I need it next?

Probably an obvious solution...

Thanks in advance, heh.
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    lackluster strumming
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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/15 14:38:07 (permalink)
    It's called audiosnap and there are tons of videos and information out there on it.  Sound on Sound has a great article on the functions.
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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/16 18:31:26 (permalink)
    I'm good enough to play the chords I need, but not at a constant rate. There's no way I can keep tempo, or make clean transitions. The obvious answer is practice. I have been, for about a year and half, but I'm still awful at it.

    The best guitar takes come from your performance, so if you transitions are bad and you cannot strum a groove, then audio anap will not help.
    Audio snap is used to fix off timing hits or strums, but it cannot build an entire guitar part or groove.
    You say you have an acoustic guitar, right? Get an electric guitar, there easier to play. That may be all the difference you need
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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/16 22:43:07 (permalink)
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    The best guitar takes come from your performance, so if you transitions are bad and you cannot strum a groove, then audio anap will not help.
    Audio snap is used to fix off timing hits or strums, but it cannot build an entire guitar part or groove.
    You say you have an acoustic guitar, right? Get an electric guitar, there easier to play. That may be all the difference you need
    Cj

    I see. Guess I'm out of luck. I've got an electric as well, but I have a harder time playing that vs my acoustic for some reason.  Maybe in a couple of years I'll be good enough. I just can't get the hang of it for the life of me! Especially that awful B chord, lol!...


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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/17 00:28:33 (permalink)
    You could do it manually.  Slice your clips and nudge them where your want them.  Zoom way in so you can see waveform.

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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/17 01:28:53 (permalink)
    You could ...............

    Record all of your chords as clips 1 strum at a time then edit the clips to line up on the down beat of beat 1.........
     Then copy and paste thru out your song............using your snap to grid settings to keep it all tight........

    Keep in mind using this technique still allows you place the chords/strums at any of the specified beats........ie up 1/8th, down 1/4 note what ever..........

    I've built a couple of power chord progressions this way..........

    You have to keep it simple, but you could texture a song easily this way, and really be a guitarist.

     
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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/17 16:43:39 (permalink)
    Those seagulls are supposed to be great, here's what you do.

    1. Practice the song for a few days 1st.

    2. When you get your tempo down? Go ahead with the metronome/clicker and do a 4 count and start playing the song. Play it "all the way through" mistakes and all.

    3. Do it again.

    4. Do it again...

    Build up 5, 6, 7, tracks... Then go back and listen to your 1st one. Listen to the intro/1st bar? 4 bars? Good? No? Go to track/take 2, listen to the 1st bar, 4 bars? Good? No, move on to the next track. Till you get one with the 1st 4 bars that you like?

    Then if you don't like bar5 on that track? Split it, select the audio clip about where the bar ends and "S" to split it. Now you have the 1st 4 bars. You may want to go just a little past the end of the 4th bar? and then grab that little triangle thingie? And drag it back a bit, figure out the best slope.

    Now split all of the ohter tracks right at the end or just before the end of the 4th bar? leave the good track with the 1st 4 bars soloed, and solo track 1, grab that triangle thingie and bleed it in, instead of out like the 1-4 clip? Now listen If you monkey with it? You can get a really smooth transition between the two? Undetectable... So now maybe you have bars 1-4 on track 5? and 5-8 on track 3, and 9-12 on track 1, etc...

    You go all the way through and "build" the guitar track. When you're done, you can delete the quit-muted clips, then take all of the remaining snippits? And bounce to clips :-) And when people say, did you play that guitar part? You can say "Yeaup" :-) And you did! It's just time consuming, but you can do it.
    post edited by robby - 2009/11/17 16:52:24

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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/17 19:24:31 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tips everyone... I'm thinking I'll try ...well, all of those suggestions. Haha. Guess that'll just have to do until I'm decent enough.
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    Re:Noob guitar recording questions - how to loop? 2009/11/17 20:35:45 (permalink)
    I'm telling you dude...  Post #6 is what you need, it is your friend. It's how I do it? Listen to the acoustic guitar on my songs?

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