EbonyFunk
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Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
I was using a program (Back Up MyPC) to back up my system until I found out that it only backed up my data. I read that Norton Ghost will back up my complete system, programs and all. So I ran out and bought it, but I haven't been able to get it to work. First I seem to keep getting an error code 1016 message. Then I read in the manual that they don't recommend backing up to DVD. Then when I attempt to back up, it gets stuck at 5% on the first drive forever. I do have four hard drives (1-80gig, 2-120gig and 1-300gig) so I know it'll take awhile, but it doesn't move past five percent. Is anyone using Ghost 10.0 directly to DVD's successfully? Is there a better way? Norton Ghost 2003 was included for free, should I be using that?
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Maneswar
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/14 22:08:49
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I use Norton Ghost 9.0 which came with Systemworks Professional Elite something or other :) ... but I ghost my drives to an external hard drive on a USB connection. I would recommend you try to find a hard drive you can ghost to, then burn to DVD if you want. Ghost is pretty darn fast, so it might be failing because DVD burning has got to be ungodly slow. With Ghost, you can setup Weekly Milestone Completes, and daily incrementals, so it automatically deletes the old Milestone or daily and replaces it with a new version... or you can keep all of them in tact in case you need something from previous weeks. Sorry, no Ghost 10.0 or DVD burning. Maneswar
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/14 22:57:53
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Ghost is not what it once was. I have not been able to get it to do all I would like it to do for a few years.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 01:35:54
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I use Norton Ghost 9.0 which came with Systemworks Professional Elite something or other :) ... but I ghost my drives to an external hard drive on a USB connection. I would recommend you try to find a hard drive you can ghost to Good advice. Back up to and external, or internal but separate, hard drive. Ghost 9.0 has saved my butt more than once.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 01:44:59
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I've use Ghost 2003,9,10. Ghost 10 is a very good program to back up everything. To back up to DVD's you should back up to the hard drive and limit the size of the files so they will comfortably fit on DVD. Ghost will make how ever many files it takes and will put them in a directory. I can't reember the exact number to set the files size to. You'll just have to experiment to see. I always back up to hard drive. The next time I back up I take backup data to DVD for storage. Then clean the hard drive off for more space. You should also know that it is much easier to retrieve data from hard drive backup than after it is dumped to DVD. Max Arwood
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 05:42:12
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would ghost be able to back up my system drive so i can put a new one in without reinstalling windows?
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cliffsp8
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 06:59:32
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My experience with Ghost 9 was that although it was good for restoring partitions it did not do a drive copy properly to upgrade my system disk, and I wasted many hours trying different suggestions from the norton site. Can't say about ghost 10, though. I got the 15 day demo of Acronis true image which did a brilliant job. If Acronis can do the same as ghost for backing up and restoring, and it looks like it does, then I will buy it and ditch ghost. regards Cliff
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 07:05:15
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take a closer look to acronis true image. It does a wonderfull job here. :-) Viktor
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 07:14:20
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ORIGINAL: EbonyFunk I was using a program (Back Up MyPC) to back up my system until I found out that it only backed up my data. I read that Norton Ghost will back up my complete system, programs and all. So I ran out and bought it, but I haven't been able to get it to work. First I seem to keep getting an error code 1016 message. Then I read in the manual that they don't recommend backing up to DVD. Then when I attempt to back up, it gets stuck at 5% on the first drive forever. I do have four hard drives (1-80gig, 2-120gig and 1-300gig) so I know it'll take awhile, but it doesn't move past five percent. Is anyone using Ghost 10.0 directly to DVD's successfully? Is there a better way? Norton Ghost 2003 was included for free, should I be using that? This is the ONLY backup program you need!! http://www.fssdev.com/products/casperxp/ Backs up EVEYTHING, your programs,paswords etc
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 07:18:24
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I use ghost 9. Basically (and this is learned the hard way ;) ) I have a small 4 gig partition on my main drive which is for windows, sonar, plugins etc - and then you can just ghost that small partition. I have my virtual memory on a separate drive and disable hibernation which gets the install size down small enough to be ok with a 4gig partition. Obviously you need to be a bit careful with plugins and their samples which you need to stick on your samples drive otherwise 4gig goes pretty quick! It's very quick and easy. It took me bloody ages going through all the authorisation steps for everything I own so now I can clean sweep the system without having to go through all of that bollocks. Kind regards Dave Rich.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 07:54:26
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ORIGINAL: cliffsp8 My experience with Ghost 9 was that although it was good for restoring partitions it did not do a drive copy properly to upgrade my system disk, and I wasted many hours trying different suggestions from the norton site. Can't say about ghost 10, though. I got the 15 day demo of Acronis true image which did a brilliant job. If Acronis can do the same as ghost for backing up and restoring, and it looks like it does, then I will buy it and ditch ghost. regards Cliff Similar ecperience here. Ghost for some reason no longer makes an exact copy. I have been unable since win xp came out to successfully ghost a boot drive that would restore. The closest I've gotten is to reinstall windows then restore from ghost. But even then there were issues. I never solved them and stopped using it.
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BruceEnnis
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 08:11:16
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take a closer look to acronis true image. I'd like to second True Image simple to use I switched over after fighting Ghost when I was changing my laptop hard drive from 60 to 100 GB True Image worked flawlessly I now use it for all my drive imaging it's a much better program than Ghost. Unfortunately Ghost went the way all products do that Symantec purchases downhill.
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Alndln
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 08:17:58
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ORIGINAL: daverich It's very quick and easy. It took me bloody ages going through all the authorisation steps for everything I own so now I can clean sweep the system without having to go through all of that bollocks. I never tried Ghost so maybe you can clear something up in that regard. For instance,since my N.I. DXi's authorization go by a system I.D.,how are they suddenly authorized on a new install of Windows with a new Sys ID, and what about XP authorization? It bypasses all this?
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BillW
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 08:24:15
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Acronis True Image 9 is what I use as well. I bought Norton Ghost and it wasn't up to the task.
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BillW
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 08:29:12
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ORIGINAL: Alndln ORIGINAL: daverich It's very quick and easy. It took me bloody ages going through all the authorisation steps for everything I own so now I can clean sweep the system without having to go through all of that bollocks. I never tried Ghost so maybe you can clear something up in that regard. For instance,since my N.I. DXi's authorization go by a system I.D.,how are they suddenly authorized on a new install of Windows with a new Sys ID, and what about XP authorization? It bypasses all this? I think what he's alluding to is that you do the install of Windows, authorize all of the nightmare software, THEN use a tool to create the hard drive image. Later, if you ever have trouble with a plugin or something goes south, you restore the orginal image of Windows with the authorized plugins. No IDs are changing and Windows is already authorized. It should be as simple as restore, reboot and go. Of course, there may be exceptions to this. I've been using the Acronis product for a while but have only done one "restore" with it (to back out Windows XP SP2), I didn't change any hardware in the process and everything worked fine.
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BruceEnnis
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 08:47:34
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For instance,since my N.I. DXi's authorization go by a system I.D., They would require a new authorization code but if you were for example restoring after a virus or drive crash nothing would be required.
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Alndln
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 09:26:18
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ORIGINAL: BruceEnnis They would require a new authorization code but if you were for example restoring after a virus or drive crash nothing would be required. That's what I though. So all it does is save installation time on a new copy(or reinstalled)of Windows which is not bad I guess. It's the other part(authorization) that's really time consuming though.
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BruceEnnis
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 10:44:52
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That's what I though. So all it does is save installation time on a new copy(or reinstalled)of Windows which is not bad I guess. It's the other part(authorization) that's really time consuming though. Although even if you have to authorize plug-ins again an image of your hard drive is still a very good idea it's much better than reinstalling Windows and all of your applications. If I'm using the same exact hardware I can re-image one of my systems in less than a half hour in most cases thats certainly preferable to a reinstall.
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dburns
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 19:32:24
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Here's a vote for Acronis True Image 9. Get it at New Egg for $30. Beats the hell out of Symantec, which I used and upgraded for years.
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EbonyFunk
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 21:01:35
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Thanks everyone. I'm gonna try True Image 9. It says I need a separate DVD burning program to back up to DVD. Any one have any suggestions?
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 21:16:02
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Hello, One more vote for Acronis True Image. Works like a champ, boots from a CD which you will need the day your system dies. One can 't afford NOT to have an up-to-date image to restore in case of a system disk crash or after installing something you wish you hadn't. Originally I used Ghost before it was a Norton product, then I moved to Drive Image which worked great. But PowerQeust the company that created Drive Image couldn't leave well enough alone and the last version was not as reliable as previous versions. However, Drive Image 2002, which works from two floppies still works great. Provided your machine has a floppy drive and not all of mine do. Eventually Symantec acquired PowerQuest and that not so good version of Drive Image 7.0 became Norton Ghost 10. I tried another product called R-Drive Image. But it didn't compress the image so a 16GB partiion resulted in a 16GB image. I've had to restore my DAW system to a new hard drive using True Image and it didn't bother GPO, Autotune, Amplitube, Sound Forge or Wavelab. Sound Forge and Wavelab used to require a re-install after a re-imaging. Best regards, George
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Alndln
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 21:21:49
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ORIGINAL: BruceEnnis I'm using the same exact hardware I can re-image one of my systems in less than a half hour So,if your building a new system with new hardware(like I am currently) , You can't use these solutions? The backup includes hardware too? In other words I can't transfer my current setup to my new machine due to hardware changes? I'm confused now.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 21:30:18
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Wow, who knew I was in such good company! I use TrueImage as well, pretty good product, though it took me quite a while to figure out the whole "packet burning" thing, and even after getting InCD up and running still couldn't image straight to a DVD. Now I use it mainly to image my system drive. My audio data drive I do a straight copy over to an external drive. Although the latest version of TrueImage apparently allows file-level recovery, I'd prefer to not have a potential image corruption issue, so I only image the system drive so I could restore it if I had a meltdown.
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BruceEnnis
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/15 22:04:45
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So,if your building a new system with new hardware(like I am currently) , You can't use these solutions? The backup includes hardware too? In other words I can't transfer my current setup to my new machine due to hardware changes? I'm confused now. The problem with loading an image from one system to another is licensing with both the OS and most software that uses the hardware as an ID for running they will typically use the CPU, Hard drive, and network card ID's to build a unique key for your machine. When you move to the other system the hardware ID will be different and therefore both the OS and most of your software will require new authorizations. If I were just changing a drive I'd go with the image but in the case of building a new system I'd install everything from scratch and then make an image for disaster recovery.
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EbonyFunk
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/16 02:32:45
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Good idea wicked. I think I'll buy an external hard drive and only image my system drive and copy the other stuff. I'm mainly concerned with restoring in case of a crash (although I'm sure I'll eventually get a new system, but I'll worry about that later). Thanks again to everyone.
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Alndln
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/16 03:21:30
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ORIGINAL: BruceEnnis The problem with loading an image from one system to another is licensing with both the OS and most software that uses the hardware as an ID for running they will typically use the CPU, Hard drive, and network card ID's to build a unique key for your machine. When you move to the other system the hardware ID will be different and therefore both the OS and most of your software will require new authorizations. If I were just changing a drive I'd go with the image but in the case of building a new system I'd install everything from scratch and then make an image for disaster recovery. Thanks. That clears up my confusion perfectly.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/16 04:03:49
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Reading this thread you'd think that Ghost didn't work at all ! I use Ghost 2003 and it makes a perfect copy of my C: drive each and every time. Couldn't be happier.
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/16 06:56:34
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I also abandoned Ghost for True Image.... just adding my hat to the ring, but interesting to see that Norton seemed to (yet again) have bloated and screwed up a once-good product.
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EbonyFunk
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/19 22:11:44
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OK, after trying many times to install and use Ghost 10.0, I decided to try Ghost 2003. No deal! After almost finishing the installation process, it would stop, and then uninstall itself...........automatically!!!! What kinda nonsense is that? So I ran out and bought True Image 9.0. Flawless!!!!! Flawless installation and Flawless backup!!!!! Many thanks to all of you!!!!!
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RE: Norton Ghost 10.0 good for backing up system?
2006/04/20 08:00:24
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ORIGINAL: alltheseworlds Reading this thread you'd think that Ghost didn't work at all ! I use Ghost 2003 and it makes a perfect copy of my C: drive each and every time. Couldn't be happier. I use Ghost 2003 too, and it works fine - imaging to disk, not DVD. I tried Ghost 9 (the Ghost 2003 comes with it) - but when you image your disk from Windows - that's when you have problems with plugin authorisations after you restore an image. If you image from DOS (booting from floppy or CD) then you get a perfect image and you don't have to worry about reauthorising plugins. This only applies to restoring images to the *same PC* - otherwise you've got the problem of using HW IDs for authorisations, not to mention your Windows install won't necessarily have the right drivers if you switch hardware. Also - Ghost 2003 can set up a dummy DOS partition on your disk, so rather than booting from a floppy or CD - you can boot up from the dummy DOS partition and it runs Ghost from there. This all happens automatically when you click "backup", and you can set up your Ghost settings (file sizes for images, etc) and save them. It works fine for me.
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