RS1979
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Not Enough Output for Reamping
I recently recorded a project DI through my Scarlett 2i2, and now I'm trying to reamp it through an ART Dual RDB reamp box. Even with the 'Send' level maxed out on my project track, and my outputs maxed out on both my interface and reamp box, I can't get enough output going through my amp to get a good sound. It sounds weak and too clean, nothing like it should. My amp is a Blackstar Artisan 15.
I've also tried increasing the gain on my project track but that just creates clipping issues.
Does anybody have any suggestions on how I can get more output? I have spent weeks on this project assuming that I wouldn't have any issues reamping, so I really need to get this resolved.
Thanks.
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bitman
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/25 18:44:32
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Maybe it's a -10 / +4 level issue?
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RS1979
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/25 19:48:11
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bitman
Maybe it's a -10 / +4 level issue?
Do you mean the volume level that I'm recording at? If so, my signal is just hitting the first line of orange.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/25 19:54:54
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He's referring to the device itself. You can assume, I think, that the output from the project is adequate. If the output from your interface is also maxxed, it would seem that the ART box is the problem.
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chuckebaby
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/25 21:20:18
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Im not sure -10dBv and +4dBu voltage levels apply here as the ART Dual RDB has no settings for that.
So that leaves the Interface or the Microphone.
To be honest I didn't think it was possible to Re-amp using the Saffire 212 unless..
You are doing the recording live (One DI goes to track 1 / One Mic signal goes to track 2).
Not listen to dry tracks later and amp them to a source.
you can try...
1- make sure impendences are matched
2- Try the phase switch
3- Check your routing
You need the Focusrite MixControl software to do internal routing but I don't believe your interface doesn't support internal routing.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/26 03:14:54
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/11/26 12:24:57
When i use my home made reamp box, with the level around half on the reamp box i get very close to the level when using my guitar direct. I do have to use the ground lift. I think it sounds better skipping the computer and the reamp box, but it is pretty close.
For you the same? That is the place to start. Plug your guitar inn where your reamp box is and see of you can match the sound.
Next add fx to taste.
Put a stomp box to increase gain between your reamp box and the amp.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/26 22:34:44
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I've just looked through a few threads on the Gearslutz forums about the ART Dual RDB and there are a couple of mentions about it having a very weak output. For a device whose sole function is about impedance matching and connectivity, this seems like a serious shortcoming.
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RS1979
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/27 01:51:28
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I found these instructions pertaining to reamping when using a Focusrite interface, but I don't understand how to apply them to Sonar/Cakewalk. For instance, how can I set the track output to an output not being used by speakers?
Can somebody explain how to apply these instructions to Sonar in 'Sonar for Noobs' terms please? Thanks.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/27 02:44:28
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When you are going into the front, is it set to Line or Inst?
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RS1979
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/27 03:16:25
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Kamikaze
When you are going into the front, is it set to Line or Inst?
My interface is set to Instrument when I DI.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/27 21:36:39
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/27 21:46:09
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I have a feeling your issue starts from the very basics.
1- Open preferences and make sure your I/O's are selected (I/O = Inputs/outputs).
You need to make sure these are all checked off under devices in preferences.
2- Make sure the output of your DI track is being sent directly to the Reamp output on your Focusrite (this can be achieved by selecting your output in the Tracks I/O section)
3- Send the input of your Microphone that is capturing your amped tracks to a blank track called "Reamped" (This track differs from Reamp DI).
4- Record the "Reamped track only.
If this doesn't work, pull the ART out of the equation and retest.
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RS1979
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/28 04:13:42
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chuckebaby
RS1979
For instance, how can I set the track output to an output not being used by speakers?
Make sure the output of the track is sent to the Amp sim track VS the master bus/hardware bus (that's the speaker output).
This is done by routing your outputs. you will need to expand the tracks header to see the I/O's.
There's actually really good instructions right here
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/208364625-Using-a-Focusrite-interface-when-re-amping-guitars
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "amp sim track". My options in the output selection don't include that.
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RS1979
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/28 04:18:29
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I seem to have everything working fine now. I think that the ART reamp box is a bit weak as stated by a previous reply, so I may return it for something better. The problem I'm having now is latency while reamping. My reamped tracks are out of time and I don't know how to remedy this. My microphone is only about five or six inches from my speaker. Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/28 19:17:50
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Adjust the "Manual Offset". Preferences/Audio/Sync and Caching.
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Re: Not Enough Output for Reamping
2018/11/29 12:34:52
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RS1979
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RS1979
For instance, how can I set the track output to an output not being used by speakers?
Make sure the output of the track is sent to the Amp sim track VS the master bus/hardware bus (that's the speaker output).
This is done by routing your outputs. you will need to expand the tracks header to see the I/O's.
There's actually really good instructions right here
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/208364625-Using-a-Focusrite-interface-when-re-amping-guitars
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "amp sim track". My options in the output selection don't include that.
There are 2 tracks needed in order to reamp. 1- The DI OUT track 2- The Amp sim track = better known as "the signal coming IN from your microphone" (from your amp/speaker). The latency problems you are having ? I have no idea. You can try shifting the WAV file over. Just check for phase with previous DI audio track.
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