asimmd
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Note Entry Help Needed Please
Hi Guys I have Sonar X1D and I want to enter notes manually on the stave. Is there any help anywhere on how to do this please? Thanks Alan
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 12:24:44
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Are you unable to enter the notes with your mouse in the staff view?
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 12:30:24
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CJaysMusic Are you unable to enter the notes with your mouse in the staff view? I want to learn how to use notation. From assigning an instrument to a track,to how to input notation manually so I can hear what I am entering. I thought there may have been a video somewhere about it. Alan
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 12:43:37
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If you google or bing "staff view sonar video", youll get a plethra of videos on sonar staff view. Note : Sonar is not a notation software. Its a sequncer, used for recording and mixing. It doenst have allot of notation/staff view options. Cj
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 13:20:11
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While CJ is absolutely correct, I personally use Staff view for 90% of my music creation. It has some quirks and does not do everything a full notation program does, but once you get used to it, it is fine. I was classically trained and find Piano Roll views frustrating (except for specific tasks). One tip: sometimes Sonar is goofy about which note value it enters when you click with the pen. I enter a note, right click it, and then change the duration. Once I have some quarters, eights, etc. entered, I CTRL+Click to drag them where I need new notes. This is really fast once you have the first bar or so of music done. Editing to explain more. Let's say you have set the clock in Preferences to 120 ticks per quarter. This means a whole note is 480, an 1/8 note is 60, etc. So if I click and Sonar puts a quarter where I want an eighth, I right-click the note and change the duration to 60. Then when I want more eighth notes, I can just drag-copy that one. Sonar defaults to 960 ticks per quarter, I believe, but I find I don't need that much resolution for MIDI and the bigger the numbers are, the more typing you have to do when you edit notes. 120 is fine for most things. If you want more resolution, you can go to 480 or whatever. Most people will not hear a one-tick difference at 960 unless the tempo is really slow, but whatever works for you and your music...
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 14:16:47
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asimmd CJaysMusic Are you unable to enter the notes with your mouse in the staff view? I want to learn how to use notation. From assigning an instrument to a track,to how to input notation manually so I can hear what I am entering. I thought there may have been a video somewhere about it. Alan FWIW, you can hear what you're entering if you enter your notes via the Piano Roll View (PRV) which in my view is a LOT more intuitive than using the Staff View.
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/18 17:44:52
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Asimmd - while I don't know about the possible tutorials on what you're interested in - I enter almost all of my MIDI via X1's 'staff view' (I don't have a MIDI piano/keyboard/controller, but will eventually buy one). I create a MIDI track, 'insert a softsynth', assign the MIDI track's 'output' to the softsynth, open the 'staff view', select the 'pen tool' with which I then enter the notes, each time I put a note on an appropriate place in the staves, I can hear the note created. This is exactly what first got me interested in Cakewalk, it worked very intuitively for me. From scratch, I created a whole drum track merely in the staff view, entering per mouse and duplicating with copy/paste. Continuing with a MIDI bass track, then pianos/synths, I had a complete song ready for mic input from vocals and guitars in an afternoon. I've found no need to change this method since.
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asimmd
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/19 05:39:16
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mkxxx Asimmd - while I don't know about the possible tutorials on what you're interested in - I enter almost all of my MIDI via X1's 'staff view' (I don't have a MIDI piano/keyboard/controller, but will eventually buy one). I create a MIDI track, 'insert a softsynth', assign the MIDI track's 'output' to the softsynth, open the 'staff view', select the 'pen tool' with which I then enter the notes, each time I put a note on an appropriate place in the staves, I can hear the note created. This is exactly what first got me interested in Cakewalk, it worked very intuitively for me. From scratch, I created a whole drum track merely in the staff view, entering per mouse and duplicating with copy/paste. Continuing with a MIDI bass track, then pianos/synths, I had a complete song ready for mic input from vocals and guitars in an afternoon. I've found no need to change this method since. Thanks for the replies,the reason I don't use piano roll is I don't play keyboards very well. I also use the method mkxxx uses,I find it easier to do it that way. Now you have explained how you set the track up,I will try it again,that is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Alan
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/19 06:45:59
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Thanks for the replies,the reason I don't use piano roll is I don't play keyboards very well. Alan, I don't play at all, let alone very well. I enter everything a note at a time in the prv (using copy/paste as required) It helps to have a keyboard attached of course but if you make full use of the Smart Tool it couldn't be simpler.
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Re:Note Entry Help Needed Please
2012/07/19 07:25:50
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As I don't even read notation, I find piano roll the easiest way whenever I need to insert something note by note. Keyboard makes the task only much easier and faster. Doing drum tracks in piano roll I also have the liberty of creating groove as I write, ie positioning hits a tiny bit early or late, or variyng the starts and durations of individual notes in a chord. IMO it's quite elaborate to create, say, strummed chords in staff view. In piano roll you simply position the start of the notes 30-60 ticks apart and thats it, and you can make every strum slightly different, to add life. In piano roll you have more freedom of choice what comes to nuances.
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