Note Properties - How to view them in the Piano Roll View?

In Sonar 8.5 and earlier, we could right click on a note in the to view its properties.

In Sonar X1, we had to ctrl-right click (since right click deleted the note).

In Sonar X2, right click still deletes the note, but ctrl-right click no longer opens the Note Properties window.

How do we access note properties?



NOTE: This page seems wrong: http://www.cakewalk.com/D...&Req=Dialogs2.040.html

Double-click causes a note to play on the first click. Is there an alternative?

(And I find that right-click to delete kind of annoying.)

I've never gotten used to it, and would love to be able to force right click to open note properties (without having to switch tools) but don't know how.

Aren't all note properties displayed in the Event Inspector? Just click any note and all relevant parameters are immediately visible

Most of my note editing happens with drums or other rhythmic notes. Some of those hits are very narrow, so clicking in certain parts of the note is impossible.

Yesterday I had some bass notes which were too short. I was trying to make them longer by a few ticks (e.g., from 35 to 45). In Sonar 8.5 and earlier, I did this by right clicking and changing "35" to "45", which was easy. In Sonar X1 it was a pain having to remember to ctrl-right click instead of right click. And now in X2 I have to double-click, which makes a sound on the first click. Since I often edit during playback, I really don't want my note editing to create sounds.

Why oh why did Cakewalk have to *force* us to use the new "smart tool" and not give us the option of using the methodology that we were used to? It's been almost 2 years since I started using the "smart tool" and I still remain frustrated by it!

This stuff is EASY........

So is Japanese... to someone who grew up in Japan.

Or possibly to little kids who get exposed to Japanese early in life. I'm not very young! It's very, very hard to teach my fingers new tricks.

That said, I'll give the drum map a shot on my next song. Although I still have some issues with drum maps in X2:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2674505
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2674473
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2674440

Double click for note properties. I don't know of an easier way than that - it doesn't get much simpler than double clicking though.

I like deleting with the right button as this is the way it's always been in Cakewalk's Kinetic, which I came from to X2.

I'd find it pretty awkward to have to use two hands, or more mouse manoeuvres.

I've noticed from reading experiences like yours that functions in Sonar never stop evolving whether or not it's really necessary :-)
I can fully understand the frustration of having something pulled from under your feet.
It looks like Cakewalk is more into targeting new users that keeping old users happy.

It's really strange when old functionality makes a reappearance. The 'new' scroll/zoom funcionality in Sonar was also present in Kinetic 10 years ago.

Right click bringing up object properties has been standard windows behavior for years. But its all changing, not just Sonar.

I hate right click deleting. I am one of those people who would rather answer a couple of "are you sure" challenges than save half a second. Thank god for undo.

michaelalala - if you do this, any event property that is the SAME for all selected noted will be displayed in the Event Viewer.

If any of the events have more than one value you'll see a little + sign in the relevant box

But yes, you can change them all there as well.

One caveat - if you select a bunch of notes with varying velocities and you want to make them all 100, if the FIRST note in your selection is already 100, it won't work.

Awesome - easy to do with the event inspector - thanks!!

Tripecac


I change note properties far more often than I delete notes, and usually do so during playback. That why I'd like the command to change note properties to be convenient as possible.

Right click was easier/faster than double-click, and didn't have the side effect of playing the note, which is distracting during playback.

I really wish Cakewalk would listen to us old-timers and give us the ability to map mouse-clicks to functions. If they can do it for the keyboard, why can't they do it for the mouse?

Does SonarPlus or another plugin/wrapper allow us to customize mouse behavior?

I think that goes to show why there should be some customisation options. I delete far more than I ever view properties. BTW most properties are viewable by left clicking over the top of the note (where the velocity is adjusted). I think Channel # is the only thing not shown in that pop up.

My MIDI workflow usually involves playing a part in and then deleting all the bum notes Sonar has added. . I can assure you that I'm also a Sonar "old timer" (since Sonar 2) and personally prefer many of the newer methods introduced in X1. I do appreciate others don't but would rather have many of the new methods as options rather than just removed.

Jlien X

Scott's great video on Event Inspector:
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/video.asp?ID=7

Thanks for the mention, Jlien! Yeah, the Event Inspector is one of the best features in SONAR.


Scott

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Jlien X

You're welcome Scott. Despite my long association with Event Inspector, I shamefully did not know, until I watched your video, that it is possible to enter "+" and "-" and move clips or change velocity of multiple notes like that (I knew these keys in the qwerty keypad act differently from those in the numeric keypad, but I had never tried them in Event Inspector before). So, thank you very much indeed!

Yeah, the Event Inspector seems to be one of those "hidden" features in SONAR that doesn't get a lot of coverage. I'm glad to hear the video helped!


Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
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