Notes don't show up in Piano Roll

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2016/11/15 22:21:07 (permalink)

Notes don't show up in Piano Roll

Odd thing, I can play the part (percussion) on my midi device and hear it, and record it, and it plays back... but in the Piano Roll the notes don't show up, and if I draw notes in manually, I can see them, but they don't sound off. Any thoughts?

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/15 23:18:32 (permalink)
    Are you looking in the right place? Keep in mind that the PRV is many octave and can be very long. Zoom out and maybe that will help. Also be sure you have the right track in it.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/15 23:26:43 (permalink)
    No, when I hit the key on the keyboard I can see the note flash, so I'm in the right place as far as I can tell.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/15 23:30:50 (permalink)
    Thanks for trying, I give up for now, Sonar defeated me today, one day to work on stuff and couldn't do it. I appreciate the effort, but it may be time to look for another program, seems like every other time I try to work I have to track down some ridiculous little issue before I can do any actual recording or mixing. If you have any other thoughts, I may look into until I can find something else.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 00:21:54 (permalink)
    For me answering you is guesswork. Because I don't have these problems. My suggestions are based on my own experience. If I have not encountered the problem I try to guess why you do.  I know it is only a shot in the dark but it is the best I have to offer.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 00:39:54 (permalink)
    can't say i have ever come across it myself in the past, so i just gave it a whirl, loaded a drum vst and just tapped out a beat with my midi keyboard, recorded it, open prv and everything was there, do you see the notes you played represented in a midi clip in track view?
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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 01:57:42 (permalink)
    Is it possible to record as step sequencer clips? Like can midi be inputted into the step sequencer instead of PRV?
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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 02:47:46 (permalink)
    I would suggest bouncing all of the MIDI clips to a single clip and then look in the PRV

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 04:53:33 (permalink)
    It is possible to hide the notes in the prv by clicking on the icon in the viewer to the right of the screen.
     
    Are you sure you haven't done this?
     
    And double check you have the correct track displayed in the prv. Many's the time I've been viewing the Audio track of a soft synth rather than the Midi!

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 06:32:31 (permalink)
    right click on your midi track and choose View> Piano roll view.
    sounds like a classic case of wrong view in prv.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:10:23 (permalink)
    When I go into record and play the notes, they appear as red for a few seconds after I hit stop, and then disappear. I can hear them in playback, but cannot find the notes in PRV, and I've done everything I know to do to make sure I'm in the right PRV. The notes I play while in record sound off in playback but don't appear in the PRV. The notes I create manually in the PRV are visible and normal looking, but don't sound off.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:11:24 (permalink)
    The Step Sequencer option is greyed out, maybe that's a clue, but I don't know what it means.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:18:57 (permalink)
    I don't know what icon you're referring to... there is only one, that looks like a grid, I've manipulated the options it offers but it doesn't seem to make a difference in my issue. The only way I know how to hide notes is the "Notes" pull down menu, where there is a "show notes" toggle... it is toggled to show.
     
    I get to the PRV by right clicking on the track I'm trying to work with, and it is labeled correctly at the bottom of the PRV.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:28:03 (permalink)
    I do see input represented in Track view, though it looks different than what I'm used to. It's a continuous purple line that gets thicker where notes are played, instead of the dashes I'm accustomed to. This a SD3 folder I'm working in.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:33:13 (permalink)
    This has actually become stranger. This in an SD3 folder, and I've done it this way many times before. I notice when I put the track in record and actually play notes in from the keyboard real time, they show up in the PRV as pale red squares that last for a few seconds after I hit stop, then they disappear. They sound off in playback, but I can't find those notes again to manipulate. I can still add notes manually, and they appear normal, but do not sound off. The note representation in Track view is different as well, it manifests as a purple line that gets thicker where notes are played instead of the dashes I'm use to seeing.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:34:04 (permalink)
    That's how I always get to PRV, and the PRV is labeled correctly to the track I'm working with.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:46:14 (permalink)
    Maybe you have more than one track selected in PRV and the one you're recording is being covered up by another.
     

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 11:58:00 (permalink)
    Give a step by step on how you are doing this. Start from the very beginning. For example I record enable track 10 then....

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 12:04:58 (permalink)
    Perhaps the note durations are so short that they are hard to see or aren't being drawn correctly? Can you see them in the event viewer? What are the durations there?

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 12:12:45 (permalink)
    You guys might be right, I was opening the PRV right clicking on the specific instrument, in this case Percussion 2 in Session Drummer 3, instead of the SD3 midi row at the top... the notes show up there. Although, this still seems strange to me, I've done this quite a bit and I'm used to having the keyboard representation to the left instead of just the instrument list. Maybe I'm misremembering.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 12:29:42 (permalink)
    1-Insert SD3 by using the insert menu
    2-Cakewalk> Session drummer 3
    3-when the properties menu pops up choose your options.
    Example:(SIT track / or All synth audio outputs: Stereo)
    4-Open the Midi track that was just created for SD3
    5-Right click on that Midi track
    6-From that drop down menu choose: View > PRV
     
    This will auto open the PRV in the Multi Dock with session drummer 3 in Cue.
    I have no idea what you are doing before as you didn't really state how you inserted session drummer.
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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 12:36:41 (permalink)
    Always use the track that has the MIDI data in it.  

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 13:04:47 (permalink)
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    Always use the track that has the MIDI data in it.  


    yup. I've done stranger thing
     
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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 13:07:35 (permalink)
    Off topic, and I'll do it as a separate question if that's more proper... but I'm curious, in SD3, when I create a SD3 session, it offers me a list of labeled tracks from Kick all the way down to Percussion 2, 3 & 4, but no Percussion 1. When I open the kit, there is a trigger pad with four pads for percussion, and in the mixer all four pads are represented, but when I load a percussion instrument to Pad 1, since there is no Percussion 1 in the track view, it shows up on the track labeled Splash Cym. Is this by design, or something glitchy? And is it possible to add a midi-audio track to an DS3 session to make up for the missing Perc 1 without losing the Splash?

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/16 15:35:48 (permalink)
    Sounds like you're adding SD3 as a track template, and your template has the track hosting the Pad 1 output named 'Splash' (and probably a splash sample loaded to the pad). Check the Input assignment of that track, and compare it to the output assignment of the Pad 1 strip in the SD3 mixer (probably output/channel 9).

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/18 02:42:17 (permalink)
    I never/rarely see notes in PRV until I move the little slider at the bottom of the window.  Weird, but I just live with it now that I "get it".

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/18 14:10:59 (permalink)
    In piano roll view, do you have "Show Notes" enabled?  It's under the "Notes" menu in the PRV.

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    Re: Notes don't show up in Piano Roll 2016/11/18 14:24:33 (permalink)
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    I never/rarely see notes in PRV until I move the little slider at the bottom of the window.  Weird, but I just live with it now that I "get it".


    Yeah - I see this a lot too. This bug has been around a while but only shows up when using a keyboard shortcut (and maybe the dropdown menu?) to open a new docked PRV window. The velocity bars appear,  but notes are actually placed fowarding on the timeline until the window slider is moved, then they allign correctly . If you leave a docked PRV window open and just allow it to refresh, or use double click to open the PRV it should not happen. It also does not occur in an undocked PRV window no matter how it is opened.

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