Novel mastering process

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2010/08/10 16:14:44 (permalink)

Novel mastering process

I heard today that for the new Arcade Fire album, they recorded to tape, mixed on computer, mastered to vinyl and then created a final digital master from the vinyl recording (as the record was spinning).  A novel way to get that vintage vibe, I suppose.

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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/10 16:46:10 (permalink)
    Interesting! Good album?


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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/10 17:12:26 (permalink)
    they recorded to tape, mixed on computer, mastered to vinyl and then created a final digital master from the vinyl recording

    I have tremendous respect for the "band" (I gather it's more of a revolving collective than a band), but that's just nuts. Why subject CD listeners to the limitations of vinyl?


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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/10 17:40:29 (permalink)
    I quite like them, but didn't know they had a new album out.  I guess mastering from Vinyl would avoid the over-compression that's ruining pop music these days?

    My last "pro" band used to record to tape, import the individual tracks into a PC, and then mix digitally.  It seemed to be the best of each option: the tape warmth with the digital flexibility.  Plus, we had to play the songs through, with minimal punch-ins.  Much more fun than copy/pasting good clips.  Of course we mastered it to death and ruined the mix, but I didn't know any better at the time...
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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/10 18:35:40 (permalink)
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    they recorded to tape, mixed on computer, mastered to vinyl and then created a final digital master from the vinyl recording

    I have tremendous respect for the "band" (I gather it's more of a revolving collective than a band), but that's just nuts. Why subject CD listeners to the limitations of vinyl?


    That's only a loss if you intended to use the fidelity of the CD spec to start with. If you were just going to smash the hell out of it in digital you might be better off recording the vinyl.  In some cases the LP is only HiFi media available with today's albums.  If it were me I would have stopped at the tape and digitized that.
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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/10 21:02:39 (permalink)
    Frank, you're absolutely right. But isn't that just a little bizarre, the idea of intentionally going to a lower-fidelity medium in order to avoid loss of fidelity?



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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/11 13:30:59 (permalink)
    Ah, I see. They didn't have to lose anything going to vinyl first, because their masters weren't the standard LP format. They used one 12" record for each song, which would have allowed them enormous dynamic range, far beyond the capability of a retail LP. In fact, when they ultimately released the album on vinyl they'd have to reduce the dynamic range just as if the master had been digital.


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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/11 13:47:47 (permalink)
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    Frank, you're absolutely right. But isn't that just a little bizarre, the idea of intentionally going to a lower-fidelity medium in order to avoid loss of fidelity?
    I'm going to try recording to tape and mixing in Sonar too.  Only it's not going to a lo-fi medium to avoid loss of fidelity, it's going to that medium to gain it's peculiar nuances that the 'hi-fi' lacks....to help minimize the less desirable aspects of tape is where digital comes in. ..using the best of both worlds.
    I think the word 'fidelity' can be misleading or at least narrow in some ways.
    Of course there is no denying it's labor intensive (and i am not sure yet whether it will be worth it on my small scale operation, but it appears to be worth it on a larger scale).
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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/11 15:18:09 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure the "High Sample Rate" guys would be laughing at this album.  They would think that these guys were crazy recording on a lower medium.  Don't they know that they lose a lot of higher harmonics by doing that?

    Just kidding...  (but I'm probably right)
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    Re:Novel mastering process 2010/08/11 17:51:39 (permalink)
    I've not got this new album yet, but unless they have changed dramatically, then Arcade Fire's production ethic has never struck me as being about a 'Steely Dan' super clean production. 

    A lot of the previous songs have been pretty dark lyrically and musically and if mastering this way adds to the atmosphere of the new tracks then IMO kudos to them.  

    And if it is just a marketing ploy, well then they've got a lot of coverage already! 


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