Now Build Melodyne Into Sonar! ARA makes it possible!

Hi Gang...

I just came across this article from Keyboard mag....

[Munich, 2012-07-12 (ictw) - As of today, the ARA Audio Random Access interface extension is available to all software manufacturers. ARA allows for the improved integration of Melodyne and similar plug-ins into digital audio workstations (DAWs).

http://www.keyboardmag.co...daw-integration/149001

I know we are Roland-bound, but as there has been no updates to V-Vocal for a very long time... Maybe they'd consider this option???

Please???

Thanks...
Keni

fooman


Just watched the first CakeTV Live webinar last night, well most of it, and Brandon kinda eluded to going in a new direction as far as vocal tuning and all that. Perhaps they knew this was coming, but they hinted at no more V-vocal in the next version of Sonar.

If they are removing V-Vocal from Sonar, I sure hope they have a good replacement in readiness... I can hear the shouting voices already and I know I'll be one of them...

V-Vocal works fairly well and I would not abandon it tho I'd love to see it progress... I guess that's not in the cards so I'm picturing having to buy Melodyne separately.... I don't know how I'll afford that...

But, I'm sure they knew of this news (my post) long before I found this and maybe that is their' intention?

One can hope....

Keni

fooman


Just watched the first CakeTV Live webinar last night, well most of it, and Brandon kinda eluded to going in a new direction as far as vocal tuning and all that. Perhaps they knew this was coming, but they hinted at no more V-vocal in the next version of Sonar.

Hmm...I really like the idea of adding host support for ARA in SONAR.  I'd think that there are other plugins that would benefit from having more than a "soda straw's" look at the audio stream (things like iZotope RX).

Another part of this has me a bit conflicted though.  I'm ok with other plugins fading in and out of the feature set.  If you like a plug that's no longer included, just hang onto it or reinstall from the old media when needed.  The problem with dropping V-Vocal is that they might also drop the proprietary rigging that made the feature work.  That might mean that you'd have to run older versions of SONAR to maintain that functionality.  I would certainly hope that they maintain backward compatibility with V-Vocal for legacy projects.

Did you hear that Noel? 

I've also use Studio One 2 and have used the ARA 'stitched in' Melodyne.  I don't like it, personally, and prefer to plug it in when I need it on particular clips, and then to delete it.

I think V-Vocal is decent - but really outdated. I forget which version it started in - but I think several birthdays have come and gone. It needs a thorough update or just bring in better Melodyne support. I recently pulled out the wallet and bought Melodyne, but I would still welcome better integration with high fives.

If ARA was incorporated into that would be the coolest, but I fear it may increase the cost of SONAR a lot. I don't think Celemony is just giving ARA away for free...just making it freely available to anyone. Does that statement make sense? The SDK kit is free, the technology it not.

On the other hand, I have been, and still am, totally blown away by what I can achieve with V-Vocal.

If Cake decide not to ship it with X2, or whatever version is next, I for one will NOT be upgrading

Linear Phase

fooman


Just watched the first CakeTV Live webinar last night, well most of it, and Brandon kinda eluded to going in a new direction as far as vocal tuning and all that. Perhaps they knew this was coming, but they hinted at no more V-vocal in the next version of Sonar.

I hope its a Cubase Vari-Audio killer.   People rave about Vari-Audio on Gearslutz...   I'd be so happy if we had a tool that competes, and quite possibly destroys the competition...

Vari Audio is ok and the implementation in Cubendo is amazing! But the results aren't all that great. And you can't split notes (or blobs) like you can in Melodyne which renders ut useless when it combines notes - which it does surprisingly much. Melodyne is a hundred times more flexible and detailed while also sounding much better. I use them both side by side on almost daily basis. Also, it's implemented in Cubendo's audio editor, which we don't have in Sonar at all unfortunately, so I have problems imagining where they'd put it unless we'd get a new deep audio editor.
 
ARA would be a wet dream come true IMO. V-Vocal has been useless for me, I just can't make good use of it and trust me, I've tried. I hang out at a friends place and she's just built a small Studio One studio and as I hate the DAW, I love that function to death! Especially with the Melodyne Editor and DNA as music loops suddenly get a new life. Melodyne isn't just for vocals - it's just kick ass! If Sonar one day comes with ARA, I'd be a happy camper!
 
And if they leave V-Vocal in there, that's fine too

Have to admit that the ARA implementation in S1 almost got me to bite. It looks very transparent and I'd really like to see Cakewalk implement it.

Haven't read the SDK but if the implementation is straightforward I would think Cakewalk would go for it. However if the implementation is difficult I can see how Cakewalk would balk at the effort it would take for the support of just one (competing) product.

Still...I vote: please?

Regards, 

I completely agree, Keni.   Adding ARA into SONAR is not the same as delivering a pitch correction tool, so VVocal should remain.  For quick corrections in a track with a good signal level, I've gotten a lot of use out of VVocal.   For the more intensive stuff, or the things that VVocal simply doesn't do - like splitting transients and excluding them from modification, or polyphonic editing -  it's Melodyne for me.  But you actually need to have Melodyne in order to use it...
 
In my ideal world I would have both technologies available to me in SONAR.  But I'm not holding my breath since ARA was just now made available.  Unless of course we're not going to see the next SONAR for a while...
 

ARA, I heard was locked into Studio one for the first year and then they would open it to other daws. From melodyne via web.

it would be nice to add melodyne support. like an option box. if you own it click it on and if not no worries.

fooman


I'm tired of Melodyne workarounds in X1. Bring on ARA. Everyone is different, and I bet for every person who uses V-Vocal, there's a person like me who uses Melodyne daily and has to perform work-arounds.

What workarounds?


Since 2.1 I've had no problems as a VST in SONAR X1 64bit.

I bought Melodyne Editor and it should be here soon. Do you guys ever use stand alone mode to work on files that are in the audio folder of a project? I'm thinkin' this might be a way to tidy up some tracks while preserving rescources. I don't want to corrup anything though. Thanks.

Rocky

I've exported vocal audio, worked on it in the Standalone and imported it back.  Sense the last Melodyne update, there isn't much difference in the standalone and plugin.. both work perfectly now  ; )