Now Time Stutter and Hang

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2016/04/03 19:56:57 (permalink)

Now Time Stutter and Hang

I'm sure I've seen posts about this but can't find them.  Please redirect me.
 
For the most part the only midi I use any more is Superior 2 but for this song I have brought a midi piano part in from BIAB and after I've comped a final part together I'm getting the Now Time Marker stutter and hang issue.  The song will play to about ± 3 minutes and the it starts.  First stuttering and then hanging as the song continues to play.  I've even had the keyboard and mouse cease to work!
 
I'm pretty sure it's related to this midi file as I can open other projects and they play through fine.  I've tried playing the midi file through the TTS-1 and the True Pianos Amber, (I've never used Amber before, maybe I'm missing something), but it makes no difference.
 
I have been having other Sonar problems over the last several months but this is different.  I will continue to search for answers but anything you fine folks could suggest would be greatly appreciated.
 
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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/03 23:59:09 (permalink)
    OK.  I figured out what's causing this issue.  The one thing I did with this midi track that I have not done in other songs is change the tempo!  I altered the tempo at the end of the song to slow the midi piano down.  When I delete this tempo change everything works as it should.  Of course the problem was occurring prior to the tempo change, (in the time line), so that is interesting....
     
    Is this a known issue with Newburyport?  I'm going to roll back and check.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?
     
    Thanks.
     
    edited for clarification.
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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/04 00:59:07 (permalink)
    Have you increased the MIDI buffer option "prepare using milliseconds" ?
    AFAIK this prevents MIDI dropouts only but you should increase it no matter what.
    I set it to 1000 and then forget it.
    Somewhere in Platinum it was defaulted to a ridiculously small value (250?) so if you clean install Plat, it reverts to the default.

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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/04 01:30:37 (permalink)
    Have you had a look at the actual contents of the midi part using the event list view - especially where the stutter and hang occurs . 

    Maybe there are too many MIDI events occupying a very small space in time.  Maybe there are notes occupying the same temporal space and the synth cannot process all of them at once.  Tempo changes should not cause Sonar to stutter and hang.

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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/04 09:39:33 (permalink)
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    Have you increased the MIDI buffer option "prepare using milliseconds" ?
    AFAIK this prevents MIDI dropouts only but you should increase it no matter what.
    I set it to 1000 and then forget it.
    Somewhere in Platinum it was defaulted to a ridiculously small value (250?) so if you clean install Plat, it reverts to the default.

    Thanks for that.  I'm going to take a look at those buffers again.
     
    I've edited my second post to clarify that the stuttering begins in the time line prior to the actual tempo change, (in the time line), not before I added the tempo change.  Once I remove the tempo change, the Now Time marker works as it should, no stuttering or hanging.

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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/04 09:47:23 (permalink)
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    Have you had a look at the actual contents of the midi part using the event list view - especially where the stutter and hang occurs . 

    Maybe there are too many MIDI events occupying a very small space in time.  Maybe there are notes occupying the same temporal space and the synth cannot process all of them at once.  Tempo changes should not cause Sonar to stutter and hang.


    Yes.  There doesn't appear to be anything unusual about the actual midi.
     
    I went through the project and deleted one track at a time and I started with the midi tracks.  I was surprised to see that the stuttering did not stop!  I was all the way down to five audio tracks, no synths and no midi and it was still stuttering and hanging!  Deleting the tempo change made the problem go away.  Put it back in, stutter was back.  Delete tempo change, stutter is gone.  You get the idea.
     
    I'm going to roll back to Manchester and see if it still occurs.  I will also try this on another project.
     
    Thanks for the help.

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    Re: Now Time Stutter and Hang 2016/04/08 18:07:12 (permalink)
    Just as a follow up to this problem, I can't find a buffer setting that fixed this.  The only solution was to delete the tempo changes.  I was able to render the last few bars of the midi piano part and working against that, I can stretch the midi clip to match the tempo change. 
     
    I didn't explore this but I think the problem might be the way I created the tempo changes.  I had significant changes in tempo over a measure or two using the "Straight Line' tool.  This creates hundreds of very small changes and maybe the GUI can't keep up.  As I mentioned before, the audio and midi continued to play just fine.  The time line and other aspects of the interface slowed down or stopped functioning.
     
    Anyway, that's where this is at present.  Thanks again for the suggestions.
     
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