OLD Versions of Cakewalk......

Keep them for historical purposes ;)

Also, some of the plugins that came with the older versions are still usable, so if you have the space, just let 'em stay where they are.

ORIGINAL: mdortona

Hi Everyone!

Like many of you I'm sure, I have multiple versions of Cakewalk/ProAudio/ Sonar etc and have no clue what to do with them. Since the EULA agreement prohibits selling the old copies, that's out. Anyone have any other ideas? Thanks!

Just because it says something in the EULA doesn't make it legal.

Microsoft got smacked down for this very thing (license reselling) and I believe it was ruled illegal; you CAN resell your software.

it is true that you can sell your software (ie the media and book),
however you cannot grant the license to use it to another person.
if the other person wants to read the book and admire the artwork
on the CDROM ..so be it. but, they're *not* allowed to use it.
i would urge you to abide by this .. because i really don't want to
have to deal with dongles and all the other crap .. i know if feels funny
to have old copies of Sonar being idle .. but giving it to someone
takes a potential sale away from cakewalk ..
and that's not right IMHO. Sonar 2 and 3 are pretty potent programs
even though they're "old."
jeff

Yes, that is wrong.

ORIGINAL: bongo boy

Just because it says something in the EULA doesn't make it legal.

Microsoft got smacked down for this very thing (license reselling) and I believe it was ruled illegal; you CAN resell your software.

US Court Ruling EULA

What courts have decided is to permit the transfer of a specific license IN WHOLE for bundled software never installed. No court, to the best of my knowledge, has ever permitted a licensed user to transfer their license to an earlier USED version while retaining license to an upgrade version obtained as an upgrade.

If you bought Sonar 4 at the upgrade price, then it is forever associated with the eralier version(s) that gave qualified you for the upgrade price. If there were any legal decision made contrary to the EULA as stated it would have to include ALL current and prior copies as an entire unit.

Courts have also upheld the right of consumers to publish bench marks or reviews even though forbidden by EULAs.
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000264.html

Be Inc, released BeOs forbidding users to talk among themselves, to compare results, or publish test results. Nonetheless, such a requirement are unenforceable. This particular point has not yet been challanged by people who would love to publish DataBase benchmarks for Big industries.

Courts have ruled that a purchaser of bundled PRE-INSTALLED software is entitled to a refund if the EULA warns them not to install it if they do not accept the EULA. Toshiba, for example, was forced to refund the cost of preinstalled windows OS for users who declined the EULA and installed Linux instead. The EULA specifically told the user to return the product to place of purchase for a full refund if they could not accept the EULA.

EULA language that is overly manipulative or assertive for the technology rights of the author is likely to be mellowed out in favor of users if and when it gets to court. But I would not encourage anyone to volunteer to finance their own test case. knowhatimean!

I'm not a lawyer, and don't play one on television. But I think the common sense answer to notfadeaway's question is that if you buy the S4 at the new-purchase price, now you have two licenses and can arguably sell the S3 license to someone else for their exclusive use.

But if you buy an upgrade (probably at a reduced price) then you're not buying a new license, only piggybacking on the old license. In that case, both S3 and S4 use the same license and it is unarguably illegal to sell the S3 for someone else to use (as opposed to being able to admire the artwork on the CD).

To make this argument even more specific:
-- new-purchase price of S4PE from Cakewalk: $959 (includes license)
-- upgrade price from S3PE to S4PE: $179 (no new license included)

That is, Cakewalk is charging $780 for the license and the new features.

Cakewalk used to have more copy protection than they do now. They used to require a CD Key and a serial number.

I remember being shocked when Cakewalk version 5 installed on my computer when I left both the serial number and CD key entry fields blank!

I uninstalled it and reinstalled it with the correct information just to make sure - but what a surprise!

ORIGINAL: ghijkmnop

I'm not a lawbreaker so I would just suck it up and use it as a doorstop! thanks for the answer.

Keep the old versions for when all the DRM/DMCA stuff gets really out of hand and you decide to go back to Windows 9x and a PII-450.

LOL Jeff I actually have a Win98 PII 450 sitting in my office unused right now....I was wondering why I was saving it...

"Windows 9x and a PII-450."

AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER !!!!

I am 24, so I'm spoiled, I learned how to type on a Pentium II with at least Windows 95..

What is this Windows 9x you speak of!??

What is this Windows 9x you speak of!??

LOL, youth!

Windows 9x is both Windows 95 and Windows 98.

PS, I learned to type before there was even an IBM Selectric. (If you need to ask what that is, google it.)

Thanks for inputs folks!

Matt

Ya know, when I look back at how much money I've spent on software over the years....I could have supported 20 families in Sudan.

I could say the same about my band equipment, studio equipment, cars, and beer. <g>

It's the circle of (consumer) life.

first I admit to NOT reading every entry in this thread
that said:
I have found that (most) of the old versions of CW that I have collected are still useful in some way or another - either because I still operate the hardware I originally installed it on, or because the old version did something that it's replacement didn't, or because I can use it to help someone else with a problem involving their copy (of the same version), or because I can show my friends (whenever they come by) what a dedicated Twelve Tone customer I am.
Now I have to get back to my S4 manual, so if you'll excuse me....

Let's say I open a "professional" studio, based around a computer system running Sonar. If the License I aqure as the original purchaser is only good for my use and my use only, then I guess it would be wrong for me to lease out my studio?? That doesn't make sense.

In the same sense, I have Cakewalk HomeStudio I bought years ago, I have it running on my old laptop, which my daughter is now the primary user of. I bought Sonar2.2XL, and upgraded from there to S3PE, so I have two Cakewalk licenses. If my daughter and I were a business, I guess it would be wrong to let her Farm out here services with the Laptop??

And I learned to type before there were electric typewriters, although I think we had electricity.