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ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
Sonar X3 user. I am using both Session Drummer 3 and Dimension Pro. I must be choosing the wrong options when I first insert a soft synth. Once I have session drummer on track and happy with all beats measures sounds etc, I insert Dimension Pro to pick let's say a bass part or violin. When I play my M-Audio Axiom it now triggers Session Drummer as well as Dimension Pro? Am I not able to move on and work on another track without affecting what I already laid down?
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 08:30:00
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It sounds like you have the input echo turned on in your tracks. It's just to the right of the record arm button. Try turning that off.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 08:32:48
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Hi,
Check to make sure that the button input echo button is not on for the Drum Track when playing the DP track is not on. I have had that to happen on occassion especially sometimes when using midi omni with M-Audio controllers. You could also set different midi channels for the two instruments. IHTH....
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 08:35:03
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To my knowledge it was turned off. I am sorry if I am not explaining correctly because I am at work as usual. Its not just that I hear Session Drummer, but the fact that I am triggering it when clearly having chosen Dimension Pro track to work on. I am trying to recall the original window that pops up when inserting a soft synth and thinking I am choosing the wrong options to begin with?
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 09:29:13
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The way Sonar works with soft synths, by default, it will automatically turn the midi Input Echo button 'On' when you put a midi track into focus by selecting that track. At the same time, it also by default will turn midi Input Echo 'Off' for whatever previous track you had selected.
The only way that comes to mind for both to be sounding is that midi Input Echo is On for both midi tracks, and that is telling Sonar to produce sound for both soft synths.
When you are selecting one midi track or the other, click on the Track Number - on the far left of the track in the track pane, and it should take care of it for you. (if you had manually turned input echo on you might want to click it off first, to let Sonar handle it).
There is a setting in Sonar that tells it whether or not to automatically turn input echo on when bringing midi tracks into focus. You might also want to check that to make sure it is set properly. This setting is found in Preferences>Midi>Playback and Recording.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 09:44:34
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Sounds to me like you've just got both MIDI tracks assigned to the same MIDI channel, or either one or both are set to omni mode. Set SD3 to channel 10, the traditional channel for drums, and Dim Pro to channel 1. Or, if the SD3 track is done, select "None" as its input source.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 11:14:32
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2013/10/10 11:17:12
Hi Bit, I hate to contradict a Grand Master, but...
I think the previous posts are on track. In a world where every synth has it's own dedicated virtual MIDI port and is listening on all channels, channel assignments only really matter with multi-timbral synths, and could not explain/prevent hearing two synths at the same time unless/if both MIDI tracks are echoing as described. Also, it's not possible to select None as the input if Always Echo Current MIDI Track is enabled in preferences; SONAR will automatically reset it to All Inputs - Omni.
OP just needs to disable forced Input Echo on the track(s), and let Always Echo Current do its job.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 12:04:54
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Thanks so much for the replies. Left work early, drove home and tried ALL of the above. I think I"m golden. Once again, Sonar user forum users come to the rescue!
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/10 16:58:45
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For anyone who has a keyboard with a very easy way to change output channel on the front panel, it's pretty good to set each synth track to its own channel and have them all echo-enabled. Then pushing a button on the front panel changes to the synth track you want to play. Sometimes you can set up a few presets on a keyboard just for this purpose. Even better if the keyboard can send on multiple channels simultaneously, e.g. layers or splits.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 00:42:30
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For anyone who has a keyboard with a very easy way to change output channel on the front panel, it's pretty good to set each synth track to its own channel and have them all echo-enabled. Then pushing a button on the front panel changes to the synth track you want to play.
That's exactly what i do in live situations and it works like a charm.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 01:47:22
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Hi Bit, I hate to contradict a Grand Master, but...
I think the previous posts are on track. In a world where every synth has it's own dedicated virtual MIDI port and is listening on all channels, channel assignments only really matter with multi-timbral synths, and could not explain/prevent hearing two synths at the same time unless/if both MIDI tracks are echoing as described. Also, it's not possible to select None as the input if Always Echo Current MIDI Track is enabled in preferences; SONAR will automatically reset it to All Inputs - Omni.
OP just needs to disable forced Input Echo on the track(s), and let Always Echo Current do its job.
You know Dave, I'm gonna back up (Grand Master) Dave on this idea simply because it is actually more efficient. Now hear me out... In a more sophisticated set up, only using one keyboard controller, having the MIDI channels dedicated to separate tracks makes sense (even when not using a multi-timbral synth but more than one synth like the OP's scenario). Actually it's not that sophisticated, just changing the controller's MIDI channel out when you want to control a different synth track as you play is much easier than clicking input echo off on one track and on for another. That way it's on the fly, unless making a channel change on an Axiom is not easily accessible. Do you get where I am coming from? But, sure, turning echo on and off will work as described. It's just not they way some of us would set things up like Dave or me (not that I am in the same class as Dave). Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 01:53:40
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Sorry, Bill. I guess I missed your post. At least G.M. Dave and I are not alone on the idea.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 02:32:00
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I'll weigh in here as well and in true diplomat fashion back up both sides.  While the channel idea is perfectly workable, when using softsynths in Sonar, the input echo button still needs to be turned on. For example I don't use the "Always echo current MIDI track" option so specifically have to turn input echo on a soft synth track on else I don't hear anything. Where the channel idea falls down is if a synth only listens to one channel, which IIRC correctly Dim Pro does. I can't check at the moment but I'm fairly sure I'm correct in saying it only responds to channel 1 so in this situation the input echo button is a safer bet. For the OP. This video explains MIDI routing, set up etc
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 04:16:13
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I usually turn off the option that activate track always is echo enabled.
If you manually turn on echo on a track and switch track such confusion may arise - getting midi played to anwanted synths.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 12:47:46
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☄ Helpfulby harmony gardens 2013/10/16 13:15:23
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Where the channel idea falls down is if a synth only listens to one channel, which IIRC correctly Dim Pro does. I had to double-check, but no, Dim Pro responds on all channels unless you have it in multi-timbral mode where each Element gets it's own channel by default IIRC (  ). Right offhand I can't think if a single "mono-timbral" synth that cares what channel it receives by default, although some allow you to restrict them. Regarding use of Always Echo and specific channel outputs from your controller, I use whatever combination of settings suits a particular project/situation. Sometimes I need the control, but often I don't. If a project is all soft synths with no layering, recording everything as Channel 1 and using Always Echo is very fast and convenient. Coming from the hardware synth world, and using mostly multi-timbral synths often daisy-chained on the same port, I used to be a real stickler for keeping the channels of recorded events unique for different instruments, but I find that it seldom matters any more, and I just don't bother. If a need arises to differentiate channels after the fact, and setting a forced MIDI output channel on the track isn't enough for whatever reason, it's easy enough to use the Event Inspector to quickly change the channel of selected events/clips/tracks. Ports are the new channels.
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Re: ONE MIDI DEVICE, 2 SOFTY SYNTHS
2013/10/16 13:14:50
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I usually turn off the option that activate track always is echo enabled.
If you manually turn on echo on a track and switch track such confusion may arise - getting midi played to anwanted synths.
That's what happened to the OP, so we come full circle.
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