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2014/10/19 20:57:52 (permalink)

[OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton

Sorry for the late heads up, but this course just started another run (last Monday). I have seen a lot of good reviews for this course but never caught it on previous passes. The first assignment is due this coming Thursday, so it can be fully completed for those interested. Course info can be found here: https://www.coursera.org/course/improvisation

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/19 23:05:02 (permalink)
I too can vouch for this course - I learned a lot when I took it about a year ago now (yikes, time is flying).
 
Gary Burton really does a good job running through things, and it really makes you think.
 
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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/22 08:32:03 (permalink)
Taking it now.  LOTS of good stuff on Coursera.
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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/22 09:35:56 (permalink)
I registered but haven't dug in yet. Thanks for the info.

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/22 12:04:52 (permalink)
I was surprised at how much work some of those freebies pile on.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mr Burton, and was definitely a happy camper taking a class with him teaching me a bit about jazz improvisational soloing approach.
 
Now if I could only get my left hand to stop playing Billy Joel to go along with the Bill Evans my right hand is now soloing to, I would be in BUSINESS!  DOH!
 
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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/25 03:34:48 (permalink)
Indeed... he hits upon a few very nice points out of the chute about correlating music to language, which I felt was spot on. He also reinforced something which has always plagued me with piano, which is the instant recall of scales. Guitar has always "just clicked" with me, since all semitones are the same, but on a piano I often see it as a "mathematical puzzle" of sorts. I am not sure if I will ever overcome this TBH. When he made the comment on the 10 most commonly used scales and that you can start on 12 notes making 120 total I simply chuckled and thought "For guitarists it is only 10 and knowing the roots... nothing else 'visually' changes." Then again... I might just be lazy and finding excuses

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/25 16:17:50 (permalink)
Yeah guitar always seemed a lot easier to learn chords and scales on due to the simple shiftability of box patterns which don't care what key you're in. I can see tone patterns much more clearly on guitar. However, this comes with a trade off in that guitars have multiple instances of each note, whereas pianos have one instance of each note. Of course when you're an accomplished player this works to your advantage because there are many ways of fingering the same phrase and so you can play things with a lot less hand movement than you can on a piano, but the multiple possibilities can easily confuse or overwhelm a beginner.

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/26 08:04:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/10/26 08:19:25
"box" patterns are double edged sword and if you aren't careful you can end up sounding boxed in :) I think its a primary reason why unlike other instruments many guitarists tend to play with a more visual lick approach. I see the multiple notes thing as a major advantage since you have 5 different ways to play the same note on a guitar, each with a pretty different timbre. Sax players too routinely use alt fingerings and overblowing techniques to play the same note with a different timber. This gives you a lot of expressive possibilities with articulation and fingerings. I spent a lot of time transcribing other instruments like horns and piano, that helped me to break away from the evils of position playing<g>

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/26 08:36:39 (permalink)
Some of the greatest and most passionate musicians that we know of from the past 120 years could play the same note over and over manage to and not sound boxed in.
 
Warnings about box patterns rarely seem to acknowledge how much of the music we enjoy are indeed, simply patterns.
 
 
 


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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/26 08:41:04 (permalink)
Oh I'm a huge fan of patterns. My point was about getting too dependent on the visual and physical aspects of the guitars geometry.

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/26 08:45:14 (permalink)
I enjoy recognizing patterns as I am playing through "rhythm changes". My ear seems to lead and my mind seems to follow.
 
That's my idea of good fun. :-)
 
 


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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/27 20:48:11 (permalink)
What's up with that altered scale? It's like it is a diminished for the first 4 tones then a whole tone scale. I can play it ok, but I always forget to avoid the regular 5. I jump when I play it, forgetting it's ok sometimes (like when arpreging the the chord). idk. That one is nutty. When I do play the regular 5, it's so easy to shift straight to mix mode and forget I was trying to hang on the altered scale.
 
So here's a real question... with the Lydian flat7 scale...
I've learned that you can compose the chords of the key using the scale and skipping every other tone... like first chord is 1,3,5,7 second is 2,4,6,1 etc...
 
So with the lydian flat 7 scale is the first chord in the key minor? Do you compose the jam using that? or do you just play the lyd b7 scale over dom 7s and forget organizing chord changes with it?
 
http://www.strumpatterns.com/Other/10ScaleChart.pdf
 
https://spark-public.s3.amazonaws.com/improvisation/L02/L02_10_most_important_scales.pdf
 

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/28 06:12:21 (permalink)
I have not delved into anything for Week 3 yet, but he seemed to be taking the perspective (in Week 2) of the scales being applicable to the underlying chord being played (without regard to the chord progression). My take on what was presented with this is that the four dominant 7th chord scales are applied to the underlying chord only. Again, I have not done anything with Week 3 where it seems he explains this further, but I assume the Lydian b7 scale is "most applicable" to the dim7 chord (so 4 of the notes in that scale match the chord notes played).
 
For the Altered scale, he mentioned in the videos that the 5th is sort of an optional note, since the 5th is always acceptable to the root note of the chord (after he said that I was scratching my head as to why it is not included, since I have never seen those three dominant 7th scales before).

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/28 06:57:31 (permalink)
I was saying that when I play the fifth I forget the altered scale and switch to the much more familiar mix mode (more familiar to me). For me, remembering to skip the fifth helps me remember that I'm in the whole tone half of the altered scale.

Clear as mud. ☺

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/28 07:24:13 (permalink)
Oh! Yeah... I seem to fall into that one myself at times... for the longest time I could not shift between Dsus4 and D without doing a pull off with my pinky. After catching myself doing that enough times "out of habit," I finally sat down one day and played Boston's "More than a Feeling" several times just to force myself to LIFT my pinky off that string.

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/10/30 04:52:56 (permalink)
I finally watched the week 3 videos, and ended up laughing at myself on how I process information. As he was spending time talking about identification of scales, I was thinking "Hmmm, so if totally clueless, just don't use the notes in question..." Then it occurred to me (during the minors discussion)... "So, dropping the 2nd and 6th (the clueless/lazy route) gives you 1, b3, 4, 5, b7... the minor pentatonic... go figure " Now I am giving myself a stigma, lol.

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Re: [OT] Berklee Jazz Improvisation with Gary Burton 2014/11/05 19:07:54 (permalink)
lol
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20141022_JazzClass_Week3.mp3
 
This was my jam for week 3. Nothing close to the brave assertions I made about what I might play over it.
 
I mixed it to -13 dB b/c I think 13 is lucky. ;-)

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