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wrench45us
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2005/06/06 20:02:20 (permalink)

OT: CD Baby


here's the deal
i can't seem to get anybody intertested in sponsoring my CD production. so I guess I'm going to finally get around to doing this myself.

i'm probably going to use CD Baby and distribute the same very limited production CD that blipp and :10: got -- the best of the 2004 production. with CD Baby you make the CD yourself and they distribute and handle the business end.

here's part of that deal -- CD Baby starts with only asking for 5 CDs then when they sell another 10, then if those sell another 20 -- so if there's an initial surge of orders some people may have to be a little patient

so that's the plan and I expect by September I might have enough to compile a 2005 production for a second CD

well that's the plan unless I hear a better one.
should be in place within a week or so.


 


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    woodamand
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:09:05 (permalink)
    that is who I am planning on using, only heard good things about them, and friends of mine use them. plus they are about 3 miles from my house, local boyz.

    check out the new Brain Transfer Project CD
    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/braintransfer
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:10:37 (permalink)
    Wrench,

    Good luck on that. I am still standing on the cliff of this p5 thing and I am afraid to commit, much less put out a CD yet. Congrats that your even at the point with your CD baby.

    .D

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    blipp
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:23:16 (permalink)
    In some ways i wish i'd taken this route instead of using cafepress. My cd's made over $200 so far for cafepress and zilch for me. I admit i was'nt really doing it to make money, but when i look at the figures it irks me a bit.

    I might move it to cd baby if i can manufacture them to a decent enough standard.
    Cd baby would definitely get it into areas i could'nt get into at the moment. I wish i had a printer that prints directly onto cd's though rather than using labels.

    Go for it wrench. Good luck, i think it will do well if it's aimed at the right market.

    Album at CD Baby--- Depth: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/usbmusic2

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:43:57 (permalink)
    Im so confused. I thought CafePress was much the same!? Is it not? Doesn't CD Baby make the CD's and print your artwork? Otherwise...maybe CafePress is the better option.
    So, you make your own CD's and they are like a marketer for you. That's it. If you have a CD that everyone wants then they really only are getting a cut for ...well... for nothing. If they don't make the CD's for you or do the artwork...there's little value in it as far as I'm concerned.
    I figured I'd let CAFEPRESS do it, then bulk buy a bunch and just sell em on Ebay or something.

    Who knows when I'll even be ready to do something of that nature anyways...

    Good luck wrench...keep us posted!


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    blipp
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:51:23 (permalink)
    Cdbaby does'nt make the cds for you, just sells them for you. They keep $4 for each cd sold and you get the rest. There's also a one-time startup fee of $35.

    The problem i think with cafepress is that the base price is a bit on the high side. If i was to buy them from cafepress to put them on cdbaby, then there's $8.99 gone straight away. The only way cdbaby is viable is if you can make your own cds, either at home or get some pressed up.

    Cdbaby info here:
    http://www.cdbaby.net/submit.htm
    post edited by blipp - 2005/06/06 20:53:25

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 20:54:12 (permalink)
    Some cd manufacturers will pay your cd-baby setup fee for you as part of an everything-for-one-price package (this is how my band got their cdbaby page) So depending where you get your cd pressed you won't have to pay that fee.


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 21:00:39 (permalink)
    Note also that CD Baby will also arrange digital distribution for free as long as you have a UPC barcode!
    They are good. My old band's CD is on there. We sold two whole copies! [sm=rolleyes.gif]
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 21:17:21 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: philipc68

    Note also that CD Baby will also arrange digital distribution for free as long as you have a UPC barcode!
    They are good. My old band's CD is on there. We sold two whole copies! [sm=rolleyes.gif]


    If you don't have a bar code they will sell you one.

    CD Baby really is the way to go because of the digital distribution. They have deals with towerrecords.com not the store, I-Tunes, Napster and all the rest.

    - Brian
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 21:50:59 (permalink)
    when i created the cds for the darker project...i bought my own paper and printed the art out at work.

    I used a 60 pound press paper...double side semi gloss. i think though i should have went with the 32 pound press.
    so...1 sheet both sides for the cover and inside cover and 1 sheet for 2 cd tray and back cover. at work it was 8 cents a copy...but i got it free. not sure what kinko's charges now days. anyway..... say you want 20 copys of your cd.

    20x2= 40 copys for the cover artwork @ 8 cents= $3.20
    10x2=20 copys(2 fit on 1 sheet) cd tray and back art @ 8 cents= $1.60

    i just printed 20 cd's full artwork for $4.80

    ok...i get it cheaper...but kinkos charges .89 cents per 8.5x11 page...so thats $53.40 for 20 cds...still not to bad for a small run i guess. plus, say $40 for 100 true silver cdr's..
    so your in the hole about $100.....sell your cds for $12.00 a pop.....$240 -$100= $140 profit-$60 for cdbabys cost=$80 profit.....woops, forgot the cd labels.

    ok...just ignor this post...its pointless...your better off going through a company that prints it all out for you.....$1000 for 800 cds.


      
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 22:08:56 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: :10:
    ok...just ignor this post...its pointless...your better off going through a company that prints it all out for you.....$1000 for 800 cds.


    *Selling* 1000 CDs is really really hard unless you already have a good following....
    say you sell 10 cd's per gig (and that's being optimistic!), it'll take you 100 shows to get through them all! And you don't want to have to lug around the remainders for the rest of your life. Try selling 100 first. It'll only be a bit cheaper all up although a lot more expensive per unit.

    Philip
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 22:20:37 (permalink)
    Hey Wrench - thanks to Blipp I too have that CD - excellent stuff!!!
    Whichever route you decide upon, you've got a sale here!
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/06 22:20:41 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: philipc68


    ORIGINAL: :10:
    ok...just ignor this post...its pointless...your better off going through a company that prints it all out for you.....$1000 for 800 cds.


    *Selling* 1000 CDs is really really hard unless you already have a good following....
    say you sell 10 cd's per gig (and that's being optimistic!), it'll take you 100 shows to get through them all! And you don't want to have to lug around the remainders for the rest of your life. Try selling 100 first. It'll only be a bit cheaper all up although a lot more expensive per unit.

    Philip


    but they will make good coasters and christmas gifts...

      
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 08:25:50 (permalink)

    see
    when it comes down to details...
    it gets hard to make a decision

    these will be sticky labelled, burned CD-R's
    no fancy printing on the CD itself, no silver pressing
    and i think priced accordingly

    the other option is to have people mail cash in the native countries denomination and I send out CDs and I'm not sure the general public would go for that

    so Orphan,
    did blipp send you the split rock cover or the earlier version with my Uncle Edgar and Cousin Robert and their car? I'm going with the spilt rock cover -- though the earlier one does have a certain charm, but looks more like a bluegrass/newgrass cover-- insides are identical. Also all the proper legalese is included in the 2nd version


     


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 08:33:48 (permalink)
    I put my CD on CDBaby (cdbaby.com/ritchie) and find it convenient.

    The digital distribution sounds interesting but: it prevents you from using any other distributor, ie. CDBaby is the exclusive digital distributor. And they are saying it can take up to a year to get your stuff into distribution. My CD was put up in April, and it's slated for iTunes, but I can't find it there and haven't seen any income from it.


    Has anyone seen any income from digital distribution through CDBaby ?

    Regards,
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 08:52:54 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: JPRitchie

    The digital distribution sounds interesting but: it prevents you from using any other distributor, ie. CDBaby is the exclusive digital distributor.

    Regards,
    Jim Ritchie


    Jim,

    If you want to use other distributors you can but they impart the same retriction about being exclusive. I believe the advantage with CDBaby is that they don't charge to move your stuff into digital distribution. From what I have found the other companies charge to get you into the chain and also charge per download. Where cdbaby only collects when a download is sold.

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 09:09:29 (permalink)
    the split rock cover or the earlier version with my Uncle Edgar and Cousin Robert and their car? I'm going with the spilt rock cover -- though the earlier one does have a certain charm, but looks more like a bluegrass/newgrass cover


    I have the the uncle Edgar/cousin Robert and that badass car(I still think it needs some spinners)cover.

    how come your not putting all the new stuff out? there still is that one song that i love, cant think of the name of it...but it just blew me away.
    great cd to listento while working on artwork.

      
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 09:20:53 (permalink)
    so Orphan,
    did blipp send you the split rock cover or the earlier version with my Uncle Edgar and Cousin Robert and their car? I'm going with the spilt rock cover -- though the earlier one does have a certain charm, but looks more like a bluegrass/newgrass cover-- insides are identical. Also all the proper legalese is included in the 2nd version


    I sent him the split rock cover. I liked both covers. I thought they both went well with the music. I burnt him a copy of the ep as well.

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 09:40:52 (permalink)
    how come your not putting all the new stuff out


    the plan is to do that this year
    once i get through this process once with what I have and I get a few more decent songs

    i think of that CD as fitting together pretty well and I don't want to disturb what's in place by scrambling around with order and adding/subtracting

    i'm getting the feeling it may actually be more difficult to fit together a play order with my newer stuff, but we'll see



     


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 11:23:54 (permalink)
    If you're selling less than 100 CD's, it might be a better idea to go with Cafepress. It doesn't require any money up front and also less effort on your part, since you just send them the music and graphics and they produce the CD's. Doing short runs of CD printing at printing companies can cost around $5 per CD with color printing on the disc and all that. Add the $4 cafepress takes per sale, and that's the same base price as cafepress (plus the $35 set up fee and all your effort :)) Doing hundreds, you can get the price down to $2.50 ish. I'm not sure what the quality of the cafepress printing is though. I'm planning on going with CDbaby for my next CD's.

    By the way, what's the deal with barcodes? How do you get them and what do they do?


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 11:35:33 (permalink)
    Add the $4 cafepress takes per sale, and that's the same base price as cafepress


    Cafepress base price is $8.99 unless you just have a paper sleave with no artwork, then it is $4.99.
    post edited by blipp - 2005/06/07 11:37:29

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 20:06:00 (permalink)
    So, does anyone know anything about getting barcodes on a CD? Thanks.


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/07 22:15:04 (permalink)
    Google!
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/08 08:49:25 (permalink)
    Brian,

    More than one "exclusive" distributor ? How can that be ? CDBaby says they put your stuff into digitial dist., but after several months I haven't seen anything to indicate it's actually happened. And if the contract is truly exclusive ... well, you might not want to do that.

    RE: barcodes, mentioned elsewhere here, CDBaby doesn't require barcodes, but if you have one, it will use it to track sales. You get barcodes from the uniform code council - a 1 yrs. membership is $750. Some distributors will give you one for free or a minimal charge - but, then, the bar code traces back them.

    The only other thing I noticed about CDBaby was that the lo-fi samples were unacceptable to me - but, they promptly removed them on request and now my page links to my own shorter, but higher fidelity .wma files.

    Regards,
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/08 14:43:28 (permalink)
    CDBaby do require barcodes for digital distribution. They will arrange one for for $20 (barcodes are not "sold" but companies usually charge a service fee if they do the legwork to provide you with one).

    Cheers,
    Philip

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/09 16:43:14 (permalink)

    As of today, http://www.cdbaby.net/dd summarizes the info - note the part about "exclusive".

    But, CDBaby will let you stop with a 30 day notice.

    Jim
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/09 23:53:03 (permalink)
    Thanks guys for the info about barcodes.

    The digital distribution is interesting too. I offer most of my album music free for download on my site already, and I don't plan to change that, so I wonder if cdbaby's digital distribution would have a problem with that. It would be weird to charge people on those download services money for my tracks that are already freely available for download, but it looks like another way to get exposure. Hmm.


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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/12 07:29:13 (permalink)
    http://www.oasiscd.com
    is a good all around place to get it done...

    A epson photo R200 does a good job of printing direct to cd for short runs and the art work..

    If you don't market yourself, those 1000 cds will sit. You got to get it moving other than gigs. Nice thing about oasis cd is they have direct contacts in to the big places to place your cd.. next web page, local radio etc... I know a garage of a firend with nearly 10,000 cds for 3 albums... they refuse to even put up a web site... I don't get it how they are going to get rid of them but they tell every one, hey I got 3 cd's. They even get local radio play.

    I am also familar with discmakers and discmasters... they are fine.. I just find oasis right now has a better deal on the marketing. Give the others a few more weeks and they will be the same.

    Also a great list of links is at cd-baby on other cd makers...

    replication is best way to go...

    and my local B&N, GC and other stores will allow you as a local to place your cd for sale.. just need that bar code which you can get cd baby or the place you get your cd replicated.

    dale
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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/12 17:25:35 (permalink)
    I think one thing that is being overlooked with respect to CafePress, here, is that the $8.99 base price for a CD is the normal retail for your customers. As a store owner you are eligible for a bulk order discount starting with a minimum order of 15 copies. Bulk orders are charged $5.84/ea.

    The printing and packaging is excellent. The only things you don't get with CafePress are a barcode and digital distribution through common channels.

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    RE: OT: CD Baby 2005/06/12 17:30:56 (permalink)
    Yeh, i'm happy with the job cafepress did on my cd. At least you are'nt left with a load of unsold copies when you go through them.

    Album at CD Baby--- Depth: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/usbmusic2

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