OT: Time Factory 2 or Melodyne?

OK... I really need (want) a good time/pitch shifting tool, and apparently Cake is not gonna get their's functioning correctly with a decent interface any time soon. So... I'm a previous Serato Pitch N Time user with Pro Tools. It had a cool dynamic easy to use interface that worked within the host so that you could edit, audition, and immediately bounce to the correct spot in the project to audition. Unfortumately, Pitch N Time is only for Pro Tools (or also Logic now).

The only thing resembling Pitch N Time's interface is Prosoniq Time Factory 2. The interface looks very uncluttered and easy to use. However, I'm thinking this will not work within Sonar... it will have to be used as an external app, which I'll have to export files to, edit, then import back into Sonar and place at the correct location. This would be pretty much a PITA. Not to mention if it only accepts a single file to work on so that no reference can be listened to while editing. However, if it does work within the host so that the rest of the track could be listened to while editing, or if multiple files could be played in the Time Factory 2 interface so that the rest of the music could be referenced while editing, this would work pretty much exactly like I want. Does anyone know if this is the case with Time Factory 2?

The alternative, for a few more $$, Melodyne, looks totaly interesting, and I've demoed it a little. It's got tons of capabilities that Time Factory doesn't have. However, it does cost a little more, and the interface is not as simple as Time Factory 2. Also, there's one feature that I liked with Pitch N Time, that I think would also be available with Time Factory 2, and that I think I read is not possible (yet) with Melodyne3. That is, the ability to dynamically modulate speed and time at any point regardless of the tuning or note placement. For instance, with Pitch N Time, I could simulate wacky record scratches by simply pulling the pitch envelope to 0 and then up to 100%, and back down again very quickly. I'm thinking this is not possible in Melodyne... that Melodyne analyzes the note, and places it, so that dynamically pulling the speed and pitch down to 0 and back up within the same note or group of notes is not really possible... basically that Melodyne works on a note basis, where Time Factory works on a dynamic time and pitch envelope. Does anyone know if this is correct or not? I know Melodyne does so much more, that it would probably be worth it for the other things it does. I just really would like to have the "record scratch", tape speeding up/slowing down effect capability. I don't think Melodyne does that (yet).

Thanks for the info. Sorry for the way OT, but like someone recently posted... hardly anyone hangs out in the other forums here.

So you can cut a note in a clip in the middle of a track that you played, say, too short... bounce in place to a little short clip as long as the note, then time stretch to fit the gap to the next note... and the stretched note shows up in place at the correct spot? This hasn't worked properly for me since I started using Cakewalk. The note shows up at the beginning of the track if I remeber right. As long as the note starts on beat one, it's placed at the proper place. Other than that, it disappears to the beginning of the track. If you just try to stretch just a clip... it stretches the whole wave, not just the clip. I contacted Cakewalk long ago... they said it was a known bug they would be fixing in an upcoming release. It wasn't fixed in 5.2.

I read your entire message and got the impression you are talking about V-Vocal. It stretches flawlessly.

Which process are you using that doesn't work? I know Process/Fit to time can misplace the clip.

Yeah, I'm not really refering to V Vocal... rather the MPEX function in Sonar.

I'm not necessarily trying to fix out of tune notes, but stretching notes and parts of phrases. I know Time Factory 2 is not just for entire songs... the purpose of being able to use the envelopes dynamically over the waveform is to change just the parts of the wavform you want.

Thanks for reminding me about V Vocal, though. I had tried it previously and thought the interface was a little on the clumsy side... not nearly as easy to manipulate as Pitch N Time was. I'll give it another shot and see if it does what I want.

Does anyone know if V Vocal is made for or does a good job at stretching polyphonic sounds?... or is it mainly for monophonic sound sources.

I'll check it out again. Thanks for you guys' input.