pdarg
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OT: Waves L2 settings
I am using the Waves asters series plug-ins in my mastering chain. My order is LinearEQ, Linear Multiband and finally the L2. I am recording and mixing in 24 bit 44.1kHz, and then export the mix to a stereo file from Sonar for mastering in Wavelab.
My question is this: since the L2 is the last thing in the chain, should the IDR quantize be set to 16 bits or 24?? The L2 is the last thing the file is passing through before direct conversion to 44kHz/16-bit audio. Anyone know?
Also, there are dither switches on all of the plugs - should they all be turned to on?
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 21:12:03
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I don't have L2, however, maximizers like this should be the very last process a wave should go through. Therefore it should not be used prior to sending it over to Wavelab for final mastering. It should instead be used as the process coming out of Wavelab. And then set to 24 or 16 depending on the intended application - going to CDs, then 16.
Keep the bit depth as deep as possible for as long as possible and leave some dB headroom when moving from mixing to mastering.
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pdarg
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 22:09:20
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Um . . . er . . . no, I am talking about the process of mastering in Wavelab. The L2 is not used in Sonar. The stereo file is exported out of Sonar, and then the mastering is done in WaveLab.
So, since the L2 is the last thing that touches the files before it becomes redbook audio, should the quantize be set to 16 bits?
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 22:57:27
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Yes, if you're using the IDR dither, then it should be set to 16 bits.
jeff
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 23:02:28
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So, since the L2 is the last thing that touches the files before it becomes redbook audio, should the quantize be set to 16 bits?
Yes L2 will (and should) do the requantization. Sorry, misunderstood the initial question.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 23:04:18
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?--does soundforge give you the option to do pow-r 3?
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 23:22:03
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soundforge has half-rect, rect, tri, highpass-tri and guassian ... but i'm hopefull
they'll get POW-R soon.
jeff
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/14 23:39:24
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I like 16 bit, type 2, ultra. Very high pitched dither. Almost inaudible.
Max Arwood
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pdarg
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 09:57:22
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ORIGINAL: MArwood
I like 16 bit, type 2, ultra. Very high pitched dither. Almost inaudible.
Max Arwood
Thanks for the tip - I have arrived at 16-bit, Ultra, but cannot decide on Type I or II.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 10:10:49
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ORIGINAL: pdarg
ORIGINAL: MArwood
I like 16 bit, type 2, ultra. Very high pitched dither. Almost inaudible.
Max Arwood
Thanks for the tip - I have arrived at 16-bit, Ultra, but cannot decide on Type I or II.
Actually you should make the decision on the dithering settings based on how it sounds in each individual song. You can not reduce this to a formula. However, the information on setting the L2 to 16 bits is correct if you are going directly to CD afterwards. I usually save the file to a different filename after this step, leaving the original 24 bit file intact. BTW, you also have the choice in Wavelab to use the Apogee UV22 dither as well. To do that, you should use the L2 in the Effects Section and set the IDR dithering option to None. Then use the UV22 in the Dithering Section. Just another potential color for your palette. 
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 10:53:10
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to me, the POW-r dither isn't too shabby .. and if you've got S4PE, not a bad choice.
jeff
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 11:20:42
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ORIGINAL: jmarkham
to me, the POW-r dither isn't too shabby .. and if you've got S4PE, not a bad choice.
jeff
Can it be used outside of Sonar? He indicated he is mastering in Wavelab, and therefore would not want to dither in Sonar before importing into Wavelab.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 12:04:07
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No you can't use the Pow/r dither outside of Sonar. If you want to do that you would need to do everything else BUT the final dither and then reimport to Sonar for the dither only. It's questionable whether or not it is any better than the UV22HR dither; they are both very good.
Tom
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 12:52:41
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This is an interesting topic. I've often wondered this myself as I use the Waves L1 Ultramaximizer on almost all of my final mixdowns. If I have inserted the L1 as the last effect in my effects chain on my final mix track (24-bit) with a setting of 16-bits will it apply dither to the track as well as Sonar's pow-R when I do a 16-bit wave file export? Wouldn't this be detrimental to my mix? Would it be best to set the dither on the L1 to 24-bit and let Sonar dither down to 16-bit using pow-R? Any thoughts?
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 13:31:59
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ORIGINAL: musicmanrdu
This is an interesting topic. I've often wondered this myself as I use the Waves L1 Ultramaximizer on almost all of my final mixdowns. If I have inserted the L1 as the last effect in my effects chain on my final mix track (24-bit) with a setting of 16-bits will it apply dither to the track as well as Sonar's pow-R when I do a 16-bit wave file export? Wouldn't this be detrimental to my mix? Would it be best to set the dither on the L1 to 24-bit and let Sonar dither down to 16-bit using pow-R? Any thoughts?
You most certainly should not dither twice. Choice of the L1/L2 versus Pow-R is a personal one. Both have good reputations. If you choose to use Pow-R, you should set the L2 dither to None.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 13:43:27
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ORIGINAL: dachay2tnr
ORIGINAL: jmarkham
to me, the POW-r dither isn't too shabby .. and if you've got S4PE, not a bad choice.
jeff
Can it be used outside of Sonar?
He indicated he is mastering in Wavelab, and therefore would not want to dither in Sonar before importing into Wavelab.
well, it would be more convenient if Sonar would open wav files directly .. but he would not dither in wavelab .. then import the 24bit to sonar and output the 16 bit from Sonar. I prefer the Pow-r dither .. so the extra pain is worth it. jeff
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pdarg
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 15:42:15
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You most certainly should not dither twice.
My mastering plugs order is Waves Linear EQ, Wave Linear Multiband, Waves L2. So, then what about the dither settings on the Waves plug-ins that precede the L2? Should their internal dither be turned off? The Waves manual seems to suggest otherwise, but I am really in the dark on this one??
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/15 21:13:34
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ORIGINAL: pdarg
My mastering plugs order is Waves Linear EQ, Wave Linear Multiband, Waves L2.
So, then what about the dither settings on the Waves plug-ins that precede the L2? Should their internal dither be turned off? The Waves manual seems to suggest otherwise, but I am really in the dark on this one??
Yes. If the plugins you have before of the Waves L2 plugins have dither settings, you need turn it off. Greetings.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/17 01:48:32
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Type 1, Type 2 not much difference in any of these. Just be sure to use only 1 dither for the plugin chain. It should be the last plugin, the L2. Be sure to turn off dither for the LinEq and the LinMB plugs.
Max Arwood
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/17 10:51:59
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One question using Soundforge as wave editor and CD architect to burn the master.
Both programs let you import the 24 bit files, and when you burn them to cd, the program burn it at 16 bits automatily.
I use the L2, and i set the dither to 16, but the file in Soundforge remains at 24bits. So i assume that Cd architect do a additional dither when burn to cd....
What's wrong here?? I have this question for a long time ago. Can you help me? Thanks.
And sorry of my poor english. Isn't my native language.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/17 12:53:58
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Hi: The Waves L2 only apply dither, preparing the 24bit file to be converted to 16bits. For to make this conversion, after you to apply the L2 with dithering settings, go to the Process menu and choose "Bit-Depth Converter". In the box, select 16 bits as the Bit depth setting, None as the Dither setting, Off as the Noise shaping setting and press OK. If you wish, you and to make a preview before you hit the "OK" for a listening of the resulting converted file. This info is in the page 94 of the SoundForge 8 manual  . I hope this help.
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RE: OT: Waves L2 settings
2005/08/17 14:03:26
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Thanks a lot!!.
Soundforge and CDA convert 24bits files to 16 automaticly when burn to cd. I have to check that because i think it dither when do the conversion.
I use the L2 only to master serious projects, so sometimes i just burn without apply anything and Soundforge converts to 16....
Oh my God! I dither twice!!
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