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OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
I'm using a Yamaha 01v96 mixer, and have begun to wonder if it would be beneficial to use other mic preamps than the 16 internal ones.
Anyone have opinions on the quality of the Yamaha preamps, and perhaps suggestions for 8 or 16 channel preamps that might be better?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/08 19:23:13
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I like bigger and uglier sounds. The yamaha's sound a bit thin to my ears (I've got the o1v, a friend has the o1v96), but they're clean and decent utility pre's.
I got around this by picking up a small channel count mixer with better (well, ones I like better, they spec pretty bad) pre's and good EQs and using its direct outs to a soundcard. I've also got an ADA8000 from behringer, and prefer its pres to the yamaha...way noisier, not as clear, kinda distorted and crunchy in the mids, but I like that sound better than 'straight wire with gain' as the cliche goes.
What kind of material are you recording?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/08 19:46:16
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☄ Helpfulby Heavengroove 2016/10/12 07:33:46
ORIGINAL: tor
I'm using a Yamaha 01v96 mixer, and have begun to wonder if it would be beneficial to use other mic preamps than the 16 internal ones.
Anyone have opinions on the quality of the Yamaha preamps, and perhaps suggestions for 8 or 16 channel preamps that might be better?
For overall general use the O1V96 has good preamps. Much better than the O1V and in my opinion better than the Mackie VLZ's. However, just like an artist who paints with different colors, an additional preamp or 2 or 3 will help to round out your sonic palette. I would go with a couple of single or dual preamps that are really good and different from each other. You also have twelve channel inserts so you can bypass the O1V96 board's pres unlike the old O1V. The converters on the new V are not bad either. Nice board across the board. No pun intended!
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 09:10:06
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I have been using the Yamaha aww4416 preamps (same preamps as in the 01v) since before i had Sonar 4 PE, and although i have other standalone preamps, the Yamaha 4416 (same preamps as in the 01v)is still my go to (main preamp). Plus it takes care of the need for a control surface (excellent control surface also). JavaMan Josephusmusic.com
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 12:18:21
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If you're talking instruments, I use acoustic 6 and 12 string guitars, mandolin, acoustic and electric (Fender Rhodes) piano, electric guitars and bass (sometimes acoustic bass), synths of various kinds, drums, pretty standard pop/rock setup.
If you're talking type of music, I'm inspired by everything from classical like Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Chopin and Gustav Holst to some early Metallica sounding stuff, jazzy electronica and trance, jazz and blues Frank Zappa style, progressive rock Genesis/Rush style, psychedelia early Pink Floyd style..... I finished my new studio not long ago (and finally, it seems, started recording with the right people) so the sound hasn't quite matured yet. But so far, to my ears, it sounds like a jazzy "Pink Zeppelin Doors" thing, don't know how else to put it....
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 12:33:50
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I'm using a Yamaha 01v96 mixer, and have begun to wonder if it would be beneficial to use other mic preamps than the 16 internal ones.
Anyone have opinions on the quality of the Yamaha preamps, and perhaps suggestions for 8 or 16 channel preamps that might be better?
For overall general use the O1V96 has good preamps. Much better than the O1V and in my opinion better than the Mackie VLZ's.
However, just like an artist who paints with different colors, an additional preamp or 2 or 3 will help to round out your sonic palette. I would go with a couple of single or dual preamps that are really good and different from each other. You also have twelve channel inserts so you can bypass the O1V96 board's pres unlike the old O1V.
The converters on the new V are not bad either.
Nice board across the board. No pun intended!
Uh...sorry to be kinda highjacking the thread...but...the 01V96 can do the mLAN thing right? If you have an 01V96 with an mLAN card, can you then hook it up to your laptop via an ethernet cable (with the proper drivers) and no other hardware to get 16 channels off the mixer and into Sonar?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 13:09:17
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As far as I know, yes, you can equip the 01v96 with an add-on card called MY-16mLAN, and connect directly to your pc, using the IEEE1394 format. However, I don't think the mLAN solution is the best connection, since you can also buy an ADAT expansion card called MY-16AT, which in addition to the ADAT ports that come with the mixer, give you a total of 24 channels back and forth simultaneously. But then you'd also need an ADAT interface like the RME HDSP 9652, which has three ADAT ins and outs.. All in all the 01v96 can handle 40 separate channels of digital audio at once
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 13:35:51
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As far as I know, yes, you can equip the 01v96 with an add-on card called MY-16mLAN, and connect directly to your pc, using the IEEE1394 format.
However, I don't think the mLAN solution is the best connection, since you can also buy an ADAT expansion card called MY-16AT, which in addition to the ADAT ports that come with the mixer, give you a total of 24 channels back and forth simultaneously. But then you'd also need an ADAT interface like the RME HDSP 9652, which has three ADAT ins and outs..
All in all the 01v96 can handle 40 separate channels of digital audio at once
My problem with that is the "But then you'd also need" thing. Besides, I'm gonna have a real hard time getting that thing into my laptop. Oh...I noticed in your response that the connection is made via a firewire cable...not ethernet as I was supposing. I guess you could say that the mLAN interface turns your mixer into a big, honking, firewire interface.
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 13:58:24
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Yep, the HDSP would be a poor choice when using a laptop, hehe... However, there are other options that would fit your laptop, such as the RME Digiface, which would allow you to use 24 ADAT channels.
Yes, in many respects, it would be a firewire interface, a friend of mine uses the Yamaha Motif ES synth via mLAN, works like a charm...
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 15:54:08
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But then you'd also need an ADAT interface like the RME HDSP 9652, which has three ADAT ins and outs..
All in all the 01v96 can handle 40 separate channels of digital audio at once
Yes,...and that is powerful like an F-22.  RME stuff is great, especially the HDSP 9652 in/out, the 9632 with excellent converters (among many of their other products).
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 18:21:39
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But so far, to my ears, it sounds like a jazzy "Pink Zeppelin Doors" thing, don't know how else to put it.... Sounds interesting...from what you listed instrument and genre-wise, I'd think, yes, you might do well to try some warmer preamps or maybe a nice older vibey console with decent pre's and decent EQ, just for contrast with (and in addition to) the Yamahas.
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 19:22:43
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It's just like an important instrument for this kind of music is missing, if you know what I mean, one that is crucial to be able to progress with the music...
When it doesn't sound right, it's easy to think there's something you're not doing right, and start rearranging, switching notes etc, to try to create that special feel, and work for hours in vain....
I have an old analog Roland mixer, I'll try that out, it has less than mediocre preamps, but I guess I'll be able to hear whether it adds what I'm after or not...
Know anything about an 8 channel preamp from Presonus, called M80?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 19:44:28
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I think I get where you're coming from...it's nice to have things dialed in and just, well, work for what you're doing... The M80...I've been around them in studios, but have never actually used one...it's one of the early 8-pre's in a box units, predating the current wave by a dozen years or so. I've never heard anybody trash-talk them, and presonus are generally considered to have good sounding pre's, so they're at least going to be decent if not good. Try the Roland, if it's at least swinging things in a good direction, might be worth exploring a nicer option...FWIW, one of the mixers I love, that's cheap, small, warm & dirty -- sounds big on drums is the studiomaster XintoY units (8 into 4, 16 into 4, 16 into 8)...they were UK made in the mid '80s and have really nice sounding EQs and direct outs on every channel. Can often pick them up for around $75usd on ebay...well, now that I've written that it'll be $150  . The 8 into 4 rack mounts in 9 spaces so they're good for small setups. Others that fit this sorta bill (inexpensive, unique, big sound, directs) are the Soundcraft 400 and 800 series, Tangent boards. Just a couple thoughts anyway...
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 19:55:30
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Useful input, appreciate it, thanks!
I've heard good things about Presonus, so I've spent the greater parts of the evening/night (I'm in Norway) reading up on some of their stuff, looks pretty nice, when it comes to the price, which is over the top here.... But I'll try out my Roland, and check the web for the XintoY? you mentioned.
And hey, just came to think of it, a friend of mine has an old Soundcraft Live 32 channel mixer, that might possibly do the trick too...
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/09 22:00:23
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And hey, just came to think of it, a friend of mine has an old Soundcraft Live 32 channel mixer, that might possibly do the trick too...
That old Soundcraft mixer may have some really nice pres in it. What model?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
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RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2007/02/10 13:36:48
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absolutely give the soundcraft a try...even if it's not what your looking for, at least it'll give you a good idea of what different input routes can sound like...some of their older boards sound great and are built like tanks, both in sturdiness as well as weight.
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Re: RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2016/10/12 07:57:32
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Here In Oregon
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I'm using a Yamaha 01v96 mixer, and have begun to wonder if it would be beneficial to use other mic preamps than the 16 internal ones.
Anyone have opinions on the quality of the Yamaha preamps, and perhaps suggestions for 8 or 16 channel preamps that might be better?
For overall general use the O1V96 has good preamps. Much better than the O1V and in my opinion better than the Mackie VLZ's.
However, just like an artist who paints with different colors, an additional preamp or 2 or 3 will help to round out your sonic palette. I would go with a couple of single or dual preamps that are really good and different from each other. You also have twelve channel inserts so you can bypass the O1V96 board's pres unlike the old O1V.
The converters on the new V are not bad either.
Nice board across the board. No pun intended!
Hi, I want to use an external preamp through the insert channel on my Yamaha 01v96i so I wanted to ask is there some explanation how to do it? I looked in manual but didn't found nothing there.. I know how to plug in 1/4 jack (it's not balanced needed?) but is there something that needs to be set inside of mixer too? Regards
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Re: RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2016/10/12 10:14:01
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you can use a non balanced TS jack, but you will have to 1 click it.
if you have an insert cable, use the send to feed your AI's input.
Nothing needs to be set in the mixer, as this is a direct out.
But lets not take for granite this thread is almost 10 years old, those mic pre/pre amps are simply adequate in terms of what can be bought for penny's now a day.
IE- a Focusrite 212 (around 100 USA) has pre amps that are possibly 5X better.
plus they are Award winning pre amps...what awards ? I don't know it just sounds cool.
what are you going to feed the Yamaha in to ?
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Re: RE: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2016/10/12 10:37:37
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1st, mLan. Don't do it. It might be better these days but it was a real horrorshow after they did the first "update" last decade. Bricked a Presonus - thanks. I'd rather cut off a toe than try to get that dog's breakfast trying to work. One of Yamaha's few failures. It may be different these days, if you feel lucky.
Yamaha hardware - even the preamps - are high quality. But unless you need the multiple pres I'd go with a more expensive, external pre. Considering your music styles, a new RND pre or the ISA One would provide a different palette to work with. Transformer coupled so they sound thicker and with more depth than most, if not all, built-in pres. Obviously not in expensive boards, but then you are talking about 10s of K dollars. The ISA is @$400+, while an RND runs twice that per channel or more, if you want. Run the lead instrument through that for a different flavor than the Yamas and your overdubs.
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Re: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2016/10/12 10:45:31
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I want to feed an external mic pre+eq (aml ez1073) in my Yamaha 01 v96i and I want to do it in a proper way, not to go wrong with some mistakes about balanced/unbalanced insert jacks or something after I made a nice set of equipment :) )) I will record via usb connection from yamaha 01v96i to my Apple Macbook pro equiped with Cubase8pro and Protools12. I also have a nice external compressor ( aphex651 expressor) that I plan to use after while mixing. Actually I will have to figure it out after I record everything how I will send back everything from my Cubase/Protools to Yamaha01v96i and external mic pre/eq(ez1073), external compressor to mix recorded tracks and get the "mojo" out of these analog beauties and than again bring that signal back to Cubase.. so.. any help would be nice of you people.. you will save one musician and no tehnician of a headache.. :)
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Re: OT: Yamaha 01v96, preamp quality?
2016/10/12 14:13:41
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tor
I'm using a Yamaha 01v96 mixer, and have begun to wonder if it would be beneficial to use other mic preamps than the 16 internal ones.
Anyone have opinions on the quality of the Yamaha preamps, and perhaps suggestions for 8 or 16 channel preamps that might be better?
I've had in my studio for the past 13 years the Yamaha DM2000. The preamps are excellent. Not sure though whether they're the same preamps as in the 01v96, just fewer of them, or whether they are of different quality. Jerry www.jerrygerber.com
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