OT - "The process"

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OT - "The process"

How long does it take you? Soup to nuts?
 
For me, it's usually 3 to 6 weeks depending on the complexity of the song? Some parts are easy, some are harder and take longer. But 3 to 6 weeks is a good estimate (for me)
 
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    teego
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 00:43:34 (permalink)
    I usually am recording a song just so I won't forget it when I write it and will have a record of it. So, It can take me anywhere from 10 minutes to a couple of weeks depending on the song. If it is something that I think is worth spending the time on it can take weeks or even months. I am mostly a lyric kinda guy so I try to get those down as quick as I can.

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 03:53:40 (permalink)
    Can usually write a piece over a weekend, and then spend a month or so to get the mix right. Mixing is still pretty foreign to me. 
    I'm in awe of guys that write for scores, 2 mins per day for up to 6 weeks. 
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 04:22:14 (permalink)
    I can't discern any pattern really. I've written, recorded and mixed a piece in 2 days, sometimes they take months. Got one now that's stuck..it's all there, laid out, just can't find the right topline melodies. Probably should have started with that first...

     
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 08:38:12 (permalink)
    That is a really open ended issue.
     
    Writing a song can be anywhere from 45 minutes (I think that's the quickest I've written one) to many weeks or never.... generally the writing process is a day or so in length for the first draft..... then it may be weeks to re-write the song several times to end up with what is considered to be the "final version".....
     
    Recording..... another open ended issue. Is a recording ever truly finished? Some would argue "no", but I like to say there is a point where I'm not willing to put any more effort into the project, and that's when I call it finished.
     
    The shortest new project to done for me was 4 hours give or take. However, most often, again, the recording and mixing process often takes several days to a few weeks depending on numerous factors. I can easily spend days on end obsessing over the minutia in the project.
     
    That said, most of the projects I work on are "start to finish" probably in the range of about 2 to 3 weeks including the writing and recording. (Whether that is consecutive is another story)

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 10:02:59 (permalink)
    I'm pretty muck like James, I've recorded songs in a couple of days and other have taken months. My longest is probably the one on the song forums right now. It's nothing special, but I droag that rhythm track idea around for almost a year before putting words to it.

    This morning I had an hour to my self. I started anew song. My goal was to get a good clean scratch acoustic guitar track down and a good scratch vocal. My goals are small, because of limited time. I spent nearly 4 weeks writing the lyrics.

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 19:51:54 (permalink)
    I"ve pooped one out in a day, "but it hurts..." For me, it's more about loving the track, practicing it, comping it in, listening to it, having Mark beat me like a captive in the dungeon from Silence of the Lambs... (it puts the lotion on its skin!) SING IT AGAIN!! (He's a task master... "relentless.") I don't want the hose again? So I am compelled to comply...
     
    I am preparing to track guitar (acoustic and then electric?) And since I don't really play anymore unless I'm tracking, I've lost my callouses :-( I've grown some decent ones back after a week or so of practice, so I'm feeling pretty manly about that (except when I have to put the lotion on the skin. That's always somewhat humiliating?) I hope to start tracking tomorrow :-) I love the process... But I hate the drums.

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 20:20:46 (permalink)
    this is a good topic to put out there Robbie 
    let me think about it some , I'll be back .
     
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 20:32:35 (permalink)
    You can guess which one I'm working on :-) It's in my sig... I love the classic rock from the mid to late 60s/early 70s? I think it was the golden age of music. But we all have our own likes and dislikes? Nothing wrong with that, it's what makes the world go round...

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 20:40:16 (permalink)
    I guess you're referring to producing a finished song.
    That is sort of rare for me as technology lets you rewrite forever.
     
    Anyway, I'd say Minimum of a week. I've had one that took 25 years. So, basically, everything in-between.
    That's for my stuff. For other peoples stuff, I strive to git-er-done when they want it. So, a week or 2.
     
    I guess it all depends on the clock. I mean, if you have the leisure to diddle around with something forever, you will.
     

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/26 20:57:38 (permalink)
    Yes sir, creating the finished product? 1 to 2 Weeks, I respect you... But then I always have? I guess I just obsess over "the process?" 
     
    For me, I have ADHD about it? I want to plan each track, then record each track, then in the end make them all play nice? I'm probably just not as good at it as folks who do it more quickly. Not saying that any method is superior. I wrote a song called "It is what it is..." (great song) The process? It's something we all have, and it's different for all of us. That's what makes it cool... We all do the same thing? But we all do it slightly differently? It's pretty cool... 
     
    Especially the savants? People like Scotty? (no disrespect) most of us play? Some of us play some things very well. "Fewer are considered at the top of their game..." But the process fascinates me. How do we go from nothing to something? Where "something" is your finished product. It's magical...
     
    It starts off as an idea? And ends up with something (hopefully) that people can say, "damn... I really enjoyed that!" It is like magic. I'm sorry, I wax on about this every so often. I'm just always in awe of it all. I think we should not lose sight of how incredible it all is.
     
    What we do, "all of us?" It's amazing.. And it's magical. People go to factories, they work on assembly lines? People lay bricks... They weld? We "create?' We create something from nothing? And when we do a good job? People listen and say, "just damn! I really liked that!" And that is something from nothing more than an idea... And "THAT" is what I'm talking about, "right there..."
     
    I get misty about it? It's not just what I do, and my process? But in general, "what you do?" And "the creative process?" To me it's a miracle, and we're all miracle workers...
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/29 08:32:16 (permalink)
    Unless I'm on vacation, I only really focus on music during the weekend. Composing and tracking usually take me about 4-6 weekends. Mixing is another 2-3, depending on the mix.
     
    Once in a while I will turn on the DAW after work during the week, but it sucks me into a space-time distortion every time and, when I'm tired the next day, I always say "never again".
     
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/29 11:02:24 (permalink)
    wow!
     
    i just wrapped up two songs, that i started recording 4 years ago!!
     

     
    the biggest pain in the ass is >>>>TIME >>>>>>>> = 0.
     
    for me, the way it usually works is,  i steal away an hour here, a couple there...
    and on rare occassion, i might get an entire 4-5 hour session in...
    so, when i do that, like i did this past friday and saturday, i focus on one element..
    in this case, vocals.
     
    i knocked out two songs, with a total of 22 tracks of leads and harmonies, in about 8 hrs total.
    mixed, trimmed and tailed, etc....
     
     
    so, back to the answer, it would be hard for me to ever come up with a realistic amount of time for a given song.
     
    i HAVE done an entire song in a single day, tracking wise...
    the "Bats Brew (melange de la chauve souris)" song, was tracked in a day, not counting the drum tracks, which i did not record.
     
    i also used a shure sm57 for every track (sans drums) on that song, so it was the benchmark of simplicity for me.
     
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/29 19:27:13 (permalink)
    I've taken as long a few weeks and as short as one day.  My solo stuff (The Lindale Project) isn't particularly complex and I am far from a perfectionist so that helps as well.  Distant Towers tunes are another story.  Since Tom does the lion's share of work on those, I'll wait to see if he chimes in on this topic.  Now that I have some songs under my belt with DT I have experienced songs that just seem to fall out of me as opposed to those I have to really massage into life.  It is an interesting process to say the least.  Good topic.
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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/29 19:32:48 (permalink)
    "I get misty about it? It's not just what I do, and my process? But in general, "what you do?" And "the creative process?" To me it's a miracle, and we're all miracle workers..."

    I'm not sure if I get misty eyed about this subject, but I certainly agree with you about how fascinating that it all can be. I often will just sing something completely out of the blue, while trying out different chord patterns and wonder where the heck that just came from. Then I find myself scrambling for a pen or a recorder to get it down before I loose it.

    I used to think, well if it is really that good, I won't forget it. After I forgot one to many of them, I decided I better start getting them written down somehow, somewhere.

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/29 19:55:24 (permalink)
    We are all of us "artists." And therefore, "special..." Don't you forget it! It's magic...

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/30 09:41:12 (permalink)
    it's been a while since I've done anything except live playing/singing.  I don't think I've recorded anything in about 2 years.  and I've been absent from this songs forum for about the same time.  I have missed some of the great music from some of you great artists here.
     
    I do have a couple of things in the works now, tho!  hope to share with you soon.
     
    the process for me is different each time.  it really depends on the song.  I have one song which took me a year and a half to finish from concept to recording/mixing and calling it done and I've had some songs which fell into place in a couple of weeks.
     
    I'm sure if I were paid to write songs for a living, it would be...about the same...hopefully the duration of all of them would reduce since I could spend more time on them, but I'm sure there would still be some which took a long time and some which roll out easily.

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/30 13:34:36 (permalink)
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    What we do, "all of us?" It's amazing.. And it's magical. People go to factories, they work on assembly lines? People lay bricks... They weld? We "create?' We create something from nothing? And when we do a good job? People listen and say, "just damn! I really liked that!" And that is something from nothing more than an idea... And "THAT" is what I'm talking about, "right there..."
     
    I get misty about it? It's not just what I do, and my process? But in general, "what you do?" And "the creative process?" To me it's a miracle, and we're all miracle workers...



    I agree with you Robbie, it's all pretty "magical" to me, too. Nothing to....something. And that something is sooooo personal a lot of times, it takes a lot of courage, when you think about it, to create these things then put them out there for people to love....or hate.
     
    As for the original question, it varies for me. I've done songs in a day (where the lyrics just kind of write themselves, which is another kind of magic) and the music came easy because it was simple.
    The stuff I've done lately has taken several weeks to a month because I'm collaborating with other people and sending tracks back and forth, they have to find the time, I have to find the time, etc.
    And like you said, I don't play a lot anymore so I have to work up to doing my guitar parts, and I'm never happy with them, there finally comes a time when I have to say "Enough, I'm not going to get it any better no matter how many times I do it."
     
    Can't wait to hear your new one Robbie!

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    Re: OT - "The process" 2014/04/30 18:04:41 (permalink)
    A couple of evenings are the usual time to make a song - but in colabs it always take longer time - like four five weeks or so.
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