OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface

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2013/12/29 13:38:50 (permalink)

OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface

Confused old timer!
I've been using an M-audio Delta Audiophile 2495 pci card for many years with input from a Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer into the line level inputs of the 2496
Long story -short=New computer with no pci slots available so need an external aidio/midi interface.
( I do not need mic preamps but of course need good low latency ASIO driver[running Win 8.1 34 bit])
 
My confusion is around guitar/mic input.
Some devices make no mention of Line level inputs
I assume the guitar input still uses the mic preamp (reduced gain)?
 
What I need it just left and right line level inputs (plus midi in/out)
I've just confused myself looking at
PreSonus
AudioBoxUSB_OwnersManual_EN1
Roland
QUAD-CAPTURE_UA-55_OM
DUO-CAPTURE_EX_e03_W
M-Audio
M-Track - Two-Channel USB Audio/MIDI Interface
M-Track Plus - Two-Channel USB Audio/MIDI Interface with Digital I/O
Any advice welcomed!
Fred
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 15:47:51 (permalink)
    Lots of interfaces from the $150 on up will have combination inputs for however many preamps they have, which accept either a 1/4" input or an XLR input.
     
    My Presonus 1818VSL has phantom power available for all 8 inputs, with the first 2 inputs being for either mic/instrument and the other 6 inputs being for either mic/line.
     
    I always use one of the first 2 inputs for plugging in guitars - seems to work well.
     
    A large part of your purchase cost for an audio interface will be based on the number of inputs and pre-amps it has, so figuring out what you need ahead of time will either save you money or will frustrate you, if you don't get it right.  Some vendors use cheap pre-amps and have a lot of inputs, and some have few inputs but have really good pre-amps.
     
    I would do some soul-searching on determining the number of inputs needed, calculate the budget, and then do some homework on the various vendors that market interfaces with the number of inputs you need, balancing it all against how much money you have to spend on them.
     
    Good luck, and I hope you find something that in the balance of it all fits your needs.
     
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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 17:07:42 (permalink)
     
    robert_e_bone
    I would do some soul-searching on determining the number of inputs needed, 
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    I only need audio  line level inputs plus midi in/out
     
    Question is are the "guitar" level inputs preamped or are they just another name for line level inputs?
     
    Here's a quote from PreSonus AudioBoxTM that seem to indicate that the guitar/instrument inputs are indeed preamped and that a line level input would overload the inputs.
    Power User Tip: Active instruments are those that have an internal preamp or a line-level output. Active instruments should be plugged into a line input rather than into an instrument input. Plugging a line-level source into the instrument inputs on the front of the AudioBox USB not only risks damage to these inputs but also results in a very loud and often distorted audio signal
    Fred
     
    post edited by Fred Holmes - 2013/12/29 18:16:43
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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 18:36:54 (permalink)
    Guitar inputs are called Hi Z in that they have a different impedance than line level inputs. They are for direct connection of a guitar to the interface without needing a pre amp and/or amp.
     
    Unless there is a switch for changing the impedance I would not use them for normal line inputs if you can avoid it.
     
    Most audio interfaces today come with mic and line level inputs. Some are switchable others are independent. Hi Z is useful if you plan on using a guitar directly with it.  
     
     

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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 19:14:03 (permalink)
    Easiest to deal with this is to use a guitar fx pedal before your audio interface line input. Just put the fx into bypass. The signal coming from the pedals output is a line level signal.
    The alternative is use a DI box.

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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 19:48:39 (permalink)
    The spec sheets are a little confusing, since they typically do not (at least in the short "features" version) show what kind of current/impedence is supported. So it is common to see that a unit has XLR or TRS connections, but the seller assumes that you will assume these connectors are to line level connections, so the fact that they are "line level" is omitted. XLR connectors or combination connectors accepting XLR are typically (but not always) connected to built in microphone pre-amps. If the spec sheet fails to mention pre-amps it is safe to assume that none are present. HIgh Z matches the output of an unamplified electric guitar, and it is now pretty common to find connectors that will accept an electric guitar (TRS with internal High Z), an unamplified microphone (XLR with built in preamps), a and a TRS keyboard audio out (line level) in the same connector. RCA connectors are not common in computer audio interfaces, since they are more commonly used to connect electronic components than instruments. Digging into the manual or full spec sheet will usually clarify the issue of what type of electrical connection the socket supports.
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    Re: OTx2 Old Timer needs assistance on audio/midi usb interface 2013/12/29 20:51:57 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.
    I found this and I may just replace the 2496 card with this one
    http://www.esi-audio.com/products/maya44xte/
     
     
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