tonydude
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Offline Authorisation
First off I'm really sad to see the news and especially so for all the people who work at Cakewalk.
If I download all the files and my serial key, is it possible to authorise Sonar offline so I could continue to use the software even if the servers are shutdown?
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Unknowen
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/21 20:13:06
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☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/11/21 22:52:02
I would hope that we have the option to download all of our software with an installer so we can still install it without authorization. :(
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Jerry Akehurst
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/21 20:18:22
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How long before a Windows update stops a bit of Sonar from working?
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/21 20:29:16
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2017/11/23 01:13:38
At the moment, even with offline authorization contacting servers is required. Not only that... some time ago Sonar could revert to Demo without any changes in Windows/Hardware. There was something with badly set time-stamp, it has "expired" and had to be updated. That was "fixed", probably by updating that something, not by removing the "time bomb" completely. So there is far from zero probability that Sonar will work for limited time only, even when computer stay offline.
Till Gibson is declared bankrupt or selling CW, users are safe. Shutdown of authorization service is definitive violation of the license. If one of these two things happens, then...
But there was a promise about FAQ, lets wait it.
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/21 21:03:37
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☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/11/21 22:52:39
I'd like to see a 2017.11 with nothing but "no longer checks server for authorization" feature.
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/21 22:49:33
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stickman393
I'd like to see a 2017.11 with nothing but "no longer checks server for authorization" feature.
Lets hope
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Rasure
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/22 18:24:06
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This is my main concern, I love Sonar and shall keep using it, despite it`s may quirks and bugs. They should at least provide a full version with serial and activation like the old cakewalk days, like many, in the event of hardware failure and need to reinstall windows I want to be able to reinstall Sonar without having to worry about it not be activated. I have used sonar for years, have spent a lot of money with the company, have always upgraded, even got the lifetime update plan, but if push comes to shove I wont hesitate to use a cracked version if need be. Hopefully it wont come to that, so please provide us customers with an offline activation solution, its the least you can do!
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aidanodr
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/22 22:27:44
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So I have latest Platinum .. I have also downloaded all MY PRODUCTS installs from my account. Each has a serial, some have reg codes.
In our accounts / MY PRODUCTS area is also OFFLINE ACTIVATION feature / tab. It asks to upload an activation request file from our Platinum software. The way to create this in previous versions was via the HELP MENU. BUT in recent online activated Platinum that feature is NOT in the help menu.
How do we offline activate our online activated software??
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THambrecht
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/22 23:01:25
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I'm sorry - but I will download a crack for SONAR - if the servers for authorization are down.
I payed for livetime for a lot of computers.
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Cactus Music
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/22 23:27:43
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I don't think there is a crack for the latest version, I think the reason they developed the on line system was to stop the huge amount of piracy that Sonars had with the old system. All you needed was the 2 numbers which any user could easily share with the world and Sonar would be activated. And I guess there was always a key genorater too. I still have a crack of Sonar 6 and 7. I bought 8.5 but I bought it used which I found out was not allowed later. Those can be installed a million times using those codes offline. The cracks have a txt file with a couple of serials. Sonar must have been the easiest DAW to crack and the only good thing about that was it possibly built a user base. My guess is that this forum back in those days was a mix of half and half.
Now I cannot see how one could crack the on line registration without digging deep within the code, who would bother? there's certainly nothin it it for that person. So this is why even offline registration needs a code from Cakewalk to get out of demo mode. The differeance is you can install Sonar to a machine that is not on line. That is all. You still need to contact Cake and use the supplied code to activate. I did it once a long time back, it was way easier just to use CCC. I had to buy a wireless USB stick as I got tired of lugging my DAW downstairs where the CAT 5 cables are. I've since run a long CAT5 to the studio.
Anyhow.. I'm still optomistic that Sonar will live on because the code is worth money and is pretty good stuff. Someone will put it to use and probably under a new brand.
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tonydude
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/22 23:55:21
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https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013384/Offline-Activation
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aidanodr
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 00:06:11
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tonydude
https://www.cakewalk.com/...384/Offline-Activation
Saw that, looks old. Pt 2 is "After installing SONAR, open the Help menu > Offline Activation > Export Activation Request to open the Save activation request dialog box. Note that this menu option will not be available after SONAR has been activated." Their is NO Offline Activation option in the HELP Menu of latest Sonar Platinum anyway. Its activated via online / Command Centre software
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Rasure
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 00:14:40
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Soundwise
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 00:17:34
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aidanodr
The way to create this in previous versions was via the HELP MENU. BUT in recent online activated Platinum that feature is NOT in the help menu.
How do we offline activate our online activated software??
Good question!
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Cactus Music
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 00:23:04
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As you see clearly in the instructions,, activation still requires logging on to your account. So once we can no longer log in to our accounts we are toast.
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shawker
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 01:04:12
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Cactus Music
I don't think there is a crack for the latest version,
I happened to see a cracked version of Platinum build 23.10.0.14 (which is the current version) in my travels recently. I have no idea how well it works as I'm a registered Platinum user and don't need it.
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THambrecht
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 01:23:27
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Cactus Music
I don't think there is a crack for the latest version, I think the reason they developed the on line system was to stop the huge amount of piracy that Sonars had with the old system ...
The latest crack is from 04.11.2017 Version: Cakewalk SONAR Platinum 23.10.0.14. Complete download + full libraries + Content. I don't say were you get this full cracked download. The last years every month appears the full version with a few days delay. I think a lot of people have used SONAR without paying for it. I have always payed for software because I wanted support.
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sharke
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 01:28:28
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If Gibson had any sense of decency whatsoever they would have reached out to this community with a statement assuring Sonar users that the activation process would stay online going forward and that they had no intention of making anyone's DAW inoperable. But naturally they're not saying anything. This whole thing will be a stain on their reputation in perpetuity, that's even if they manage to stay afloat (which I'm doubtful of).
As for Windows updates breaking Sonar, the optimist in me hopes that some egg headed computer boffin will hack together a patch, if whatever is causing the breakage is patchable.
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THambrecht
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 02:13:28
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Gibson says nothing.
They have to count their money because they have to pay back 375.000.000 $ debts in August 2018. And they don't have the money. So they close all - at first they have closed Cakewalk.
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looneymusic
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 03:21:11
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sharke
As for Windows updates breaking Sonar, the optimist in me hopes that some egg headed computer boffin will hack together a patch, if whatever is causing the breakage is patchable.
Don't upgrade Windows? Simply "freeze" your DAW in it's current state - it will work until the hardware totally fails. And when that happens just take your "backup" drive image and install it on a new PC. Sonar Forever
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Brian Walton
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 03:26:02
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sharke
If Gibson had any sense of decency whatsoever they would have reached out to this community with a statement assuring Sonar users that the activation process would stay online going forward and that they had no intention of making anyone's DAW inoperable. But naturally they're not saying anything. This whole thing will be a stain on their reputation in perpetuity, that's even if they manage to stay afloat (which I'm doubtful of).
As for Windows updates breaking Sonar, the optimist in me hopes that some egg headed computer boffin will hack together a patch, if whatever is causing the breakage is patchable.
They did say this via Cakewalk employees, however with the process being "online" that also means it could fail at anytime.
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 03:33:03
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looneymusic
sharke
As for Windows updates breaking Sonar, the optimist in me hopes that some egg headed computer boffin will hack together a patch, if whatever is causing the breakage is patchable.
Don't upgrade Windows? Simply "freeze" your DAW in it's current state - it will work until the hardware totally fails.
And when that happens just take your "backup" drive image and install it on a new PC.
Sonar Forever
Won't your "back up" drive image only recover on to similar hardware ? So, for example if you have a new motherboard, it will probably not restore.
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JonD
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 05:05:47
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noynekker
looneymusic
sharke
As for Windows updates breaking Sonar, the optimist in me hopes that some egg headed computer boffin will hack together a patch, if whatever is causing the breakage is patchable.
Don't upgrade Windows? Simply "freeze" your DAW in it's current state - it will work until the hardware totally fails.
And when that happens just take your "backup" drive image and install it on a new PC.
Sonar Forever
Won't your "back up" drive image only recover on to similar hardware ?
So, for example if you have a new motherboard, it will probably not restore.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on this working, either. Too many people have experienced the "reverted to demo" problem which suggests that a system ID is used for activation, and a slight breeze is apparently enough to corrupt the ID and confuse the authorization. If registered users are randomly getting their activation disabled, I don't like the odds that a "transplanted" drive image would bring. Unless CW removes the login step (#5 of the Offline Activation), there will be no way to activate Sonar if/when the servers are unplugged.
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 05:47:44
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Cactus Music
Now I cannot see how one could crack the on line registration without digging deep within the code
I'm sure someone will. At the end of the day, it is just communicating with a remote server which sends back a reply. It would be fairly straightforward to hack that. If it calls a domain, you could just add that domain to your hosts file and redirect it to a local script to give it the reply it needs. That reply might be as simple as a yes/true/1 etc, but I doubt it. However, it could probably be worked out by examining the data that Sonar sends to determine what it requires back which will probably just be a hash of key and sent data. Either way, it seems that anything can be cracked if someone is determined or just sees it as a challenge. I should think that if the dung really does hit the fan, someone will put a crack out. However, I can't see Gibson releasing an unlocked version. If they don't sell it, they will still own the code and they won't want unregulated versions of it out there. That's an incentive for them to keep the servers up for a reasonable while. Also, the cost of maintaining the online activation system won't be much. It probably buys us a few years - depending on how long Gibson have left!
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FakeItTillUmakeIt
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 07:09:49
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At the moment, even with offline authorization contacting servers is required. Not only that... some time ago Sonar could revert to Demo without any changes in Windows/Hardware. There was something with badly set time-stamp, it has "expired" and had to be updated. That was "fixed", probably by updating that something, not by removing the "time bomb" completely. So there is far from zero probability that Sonar will work for limited time only, even when computer stay offline.
Till Gibson is declared bankrupt or selling CW, users are safe. Shutdown of authorization service is definitive violation of the license. If one of these two things happens, then...
But there was a promise about FAQ, lets wait it.
There is a "fix" for all of that out there, you just have to look.
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azslow3
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Re: Offline Authorisation
2017/11/23 07:56:14
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azslow3
At the moment, even with offline authorization contacting servers is required. Not only that... some time ago Sonar could revert to Demo without any changes in Windows/Hardware. There was something with badly set time-stamp, it has "expired" and had to be updated. That was "fixed", probably by updating that something, not by removing the "time bomb" completely. So there is far from zero probability that Sonar will work for limited time only, even when computer stay offline.
Till Gibson is declared bankrupt or selling CW, users are safe. Shutdown of authorization service is definitive violation of the license. If one of these two things happens, then...
But there was a promise about FAQ, lets wait it.
There is a "fix" for all of that out there, you just have to look.
Not sure what you mean. Crack? "Key generator"? Yes, I can also look in the binary code and make one myself, I have corresponding qualification.... But: a) there CW was even half serious about the protection, that can be not as easy as someone can think. Till they have used some 3d party solution, there impacts is always well known. b) I have paid for the Software. It was mentioned many time explicit that CW was NOT SELLING SUBSCRIPTIONS. If in 1, 3, 10 years the authorization stop working, that means all post X3 Sonars was sold as a subscription (for 1, 3, 10 years). Is such fooling allowed in US? For me that sounds as crime as steeling money. I mean the consequence should be a prison, not just bankrupt status.
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