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2014/07/13 00:25:33 (permalink)

Old Age

There's a song that I love and play it every once in a while. Here recently the physical things I used to do seems to hurt something. Tendon pulls kind of stuff. When I walk, work out etc. I've never had problems with chords before but now it hurts when I play on the harder chords. There are two chords in the song with double stops and going from one to the other really hurt today. I know the solution is don't play them anymore but songs like that is why I play in the first place. I'm going to take a day off and come back to it. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come 

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 00:35:16 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby bayoubill 2014/07/13 01:27:00
Here:
http://www.health.harvard.edu/healthbeat/5-exercises-to-improve-hand-mobility-and-reduce-pain
 
There you go!
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 01:35:08 (permalink)
Thanks Al !! I will start on those in the morning.

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 02:14:04 (permalink)
Those exercises may help and I am sure there are other pages that can be looked up doing a search.
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 02:17:16 (permalink)
I feel your pain - well, so to speak. Last summer I had issues with my index for almost two months - it made it very difficult to play. It had happened before, but it usually went away after a day. For whatever reason, it eventually went away.
 
These days, I have been having problems with my right shoulder. First time I noticed it, I was recording a bass track. Then it went away. Second time I noticed it, I was playing bass again. That's when I realize that it was related to my right arm's position. When I play the SG, I'm alright
 
I got my Riviera last week, I gave the SG a break and decided to try and enjoy my new guitar. Problem is back, big time. Runs from the center of my shoulder blade, all the way up to my neck, down the back of my arm and all the way down the outer side of my forearm.
 
It's gotten so bad that I've told my wife I want to see a doctor - something which usually happens once every 12 years, when there's just too much blood for duct tape to work.

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 02:30:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/07/13 04:22:08
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It's gotten so bad that I've told my wife I want to see a doctor - something which usually happens once every 12 years, when there's just too much blood for duct tape to work.



Well, when things aren't moving as they should you need to use WD-40.  Duct tape is for when things are moving that shouldn't be.
 
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 02:33:47 (permalink)
Might need a chiropractor instead of a doctor. But pick one that is not going to charge an arm and a leg with x-rays of the area and not adjusting it better than a very few visits to the office. Or see a doctor of osteopathic medicine that can adjust the back, but of course they charge for an office visit also.
But that may not be as effective as a chiropractor.
 
"One notable difference between D.O. and M.D. training is that D.O. training adds 300–500 hours studying philosophically-based techniques for hands-on manipulation of the human musculoskeletal system. These techniques, known as osteopathic manipulative medicine (OMM),[1] have been criticized as "pseudoscientific"".

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 02:38:28 (permalink)
Well at the ripe young age of 41 I'm a seething bag of niggling injuries old and new. I have occasional rotator cuff problems, shoulder problems, neck problems, lower back problems, knee problems, tennis elbow in one arm and golfer's elbow in the other. Just been through the wars I guess. I just do what I can in the way of exercises and cope with it. I think some of my tennis elbow/tendon problems came from playing guitar in the classical position because when I play like that now my arm hurts like hell. 
 
Some suggestions: 
 
1) Play with wrist supports on. I have a set of these, they are excellent: http://www.newgrip.com/guitar.html - probably a little overpriced, but they're better than the ones I've tried from drugstores.
 
2) Get a Thera-band FlexBar: http://www.thera-band.com...php?ProductID=20  - there's an exercise you can do with it for tennis elbow that's proven to work. It's also good for general arm/wrist strengthening and tendon problems. Comes with a little booklet with loads of exercises in. They come in different thicknesses - best to start with the medium light one (red) and work your way up to the thicker one (blue). It's best to start the exercises lightly and when the pain has died down a bit. 
 
3) Take bromelain and turmeric capsules. Now Foods does a combined capsule - they work best when you take them together. Bromelain and turmeric reduce swelling and heal tendons. They really do work. Another great one for tendon problems is astaxanthin, a very powerful antioxident (which also provides your skin with some UV protection). Look them up online and see what you think. 
 
I used to be able to play for 6 hours straight without a single twinge. Guess I'll not be doing that anymore, lol! It's probably for the best anyway, I have other things to be getting along with 

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 05:23:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/07/13 13:07:15
If you live long enough, a lot of things will hurt and eventually nothing will work.
 
That is not pseudoscience.
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 10:56:25 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I'm thinking a bit differently. I was reading the John Myung interview on the Bass Whatever issue and he is asked about his hands, arms and such specially since he plays "so much". And he says that his only clue and knowledge has been his warmups, that he makes a point of starting out real slow, and build it up slowly.
 
He stated that he does not think his flexibility to play would be there without those warmups and by the time he gets on stage he has already been at it an hour or more!
 
The other part, I imagine is the posture. If you do not work on your posture with good exercises that give you more strength where you need it, and when you need it. I think I read once that the wider strap made a huge difference, as well, instead of digging a patch through your shoulder blades!
 
I really should get you tickets to see ROBERT FRIPP. I bet you would stop talking about shoulder this and that! Time to consider the music, not the posture!
 
I imagine this could be worse for a drummer, unless some of the movement can be assimilated as "exercise".
post edited by Moshkiae - 2014/07/13 11:09:52

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 11:28:18 (permalink)
I'm 61 and my bones feel it when I get up from a crouched position.
 
Of course bending at the waist is not good for someone like me (with a chronic back problem for 30 years).
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 11:41:15 (permalink)
I was going to read this, but I can't find my glasses.

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 12:13:13 (permalink)
I've developed a condition known as (I'm sure this is incorrectly spelled) DuPuyters Contraction. It's been getting worse over the last five years. It manifests itself with gnarly looking swellings in some of the tendons in my hands. In fact, my right hand pinky is now at a permanent 90 degree angle and the index finger on that hand is at about 70 degrees. It is not painful in the least...it just restricts motion. My Doc says they can fix it with surgery...on both hands. And probably before too long I'll let them.

As I'm both a keyboardist and guitarist it has proved ironically beneficial to my guitar playing and detrimental to my keyboard playing. My pinky being bent allows me to play much better "claw style" stuff on guitar. But it also precludes me from reaching octaves as well as some arpeggiated runs on keys.

As with every other damned malady that has crept up on me as I age...I'm just rolling with the punches.

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 13:57:56 (permalink)
I'll tell you one thing. M.D. doctors treat patients like a hunk of meat.
There has been nothing that could not be fixed by one of the D.O. doctors or chiropractors that I have had, and an M.D. would probably have performed surgery.
 
"According to the AOA, osteopathic manipulative treatment is considered to be only one component of osteopathic medicine and may be used alone or in combination with pharmacotherapy, rehabilitation, surgery, patient education, diet, and exercise. OMT techniques are not necessarily unique to osteopathic medicine; other disciplines, such as physical therapy or chiropractics, use similar techniques.[12] OMT can be considered as a treatment for certain musculoskeletal problems such as lower back pain."

https://en.wikipedia.org/..._manipulative_medicine

It might take some time for the body to heal its self, but surgery is not always the answer needed.
And with some illnesses viruses and bacterias that the body is fighting does not require surgery to fix all the time.
 
If surgery is needed, it is going to be the last option with me, because I have been through it, and I know it can work.
Bringing a meat cleaver to the party when it is only requiring a knife so to speak (an adjustment) is just what it sounds like - a quick way to fix something that usually leaves the person worse off in the end further on down the road.
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 14:08:00 (permalink)
In a lot of cases, the body can heal its self, otherwise no one would be alive in this world except for a few minutes when born.
Adjusting the body so the paths are cleared lets the body get on with healing where it was stopped so to say before.
 
And it probably won't cost as much and the person will be feeling fine quicker.
Meat grinders - yuck!
 
But what kind of doctor a person sees, is up to that person.
 
 

 
 
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 14:39:49 (permalink)
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I've developed a condition known as (I'm sure this is incorrectly spelled) DuPuyters Contraction. It's been getting worse over the last five years. It manifests itself with gnarly looking swellings in some of the tendons in my hands. In fact, my right hand pinky is now at a permanent 90 degree angle and the index finger on that hand is at about 70 degrees. It is not painful in the least...it just restricts motion. My Doc says they can fix it with surgery...on both hands. And probably before too long I'll let them.

As I'm both a keyboardist and guitarist it has proved ironically beneficial to my guitar playing and detrimental to my keyboard playing. My pinky being bent allows me to play much better "claw style" stuff on guitar. But it also precludes me from reaching octaves as well as some arpeggiated runs on keys.

As with every other damned malady that has crept up on me as I age...I'm just rolling with the punches.



You're not alone ol pal.
I have Dupuytren's contracture. in both hands. Mostly in the right hand. The deformity goes right down the middle of my palm pulling all the fingers down. Mostly the middle finger. I guess eventually you end up with a fist without the operation. I've never been to a doctor about it (or anything else for that matter) but I may check into it this year.
 
It has really put a damper on my playing. As you said, especially on keys. I don't even bother much with the keys much anymore.
 
 

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 15:07:05 (permalink)
There are stretching exercises you can do to minimize and postpone the effects. Check into that, ol pal. Sorry your in the DC club too.

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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 15:43:33 (permalink)
Take your 81mg tablet of aspirin, eat veggies, less red meat or none, call your doctor in the morning.
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Re: Old Age 2014/07/13 20:10:07 (permalink)
Bill, I feel your pain. In the last six months the knuckle in the middle of my left index finger has begun to really hurt me when I play an open C major chord.
Voltaren Gel helps. It is a NASAID but gets into your bloodsteam 94% less than an oral NASAID like ibuprofen. It stays VERY local, you apply it every 4 hours and it really does help. It is by prescription but you should have no trouble getting it. Compounding pharmacies make other creams and gels with the sae ingredient and others that make it work faster and longer. I don't know if there may be a surgical answer.
I had plaintar fasciitis for about a year and a half. I thought it would NEVER go away. I went to an orthopedic surgeon. He told me to take 4 ibuprofen, every four hours.. up to 3200mg a day. I did that for a month or so and it started to go away. It is still there if I wear the wrong shoes but if I take care it no longer bothers me.
For local arthritis and tendon stuff the Voltaren Gel really work well and is very safe.
 
I sometimes tell people, "if it works and does not hurt... I wonder what is wrong with it". The older you get, the harder it gets... except for "it".
 
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