Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues?

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2011/03/29 11:12:37 (permalink)

Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues?

Folks,
 
I have been having a lot of issues with X1 on my old system (as mentioned in a couple of other threads).  Namely, I get fatal dropouts (need to close the project and reopen again when it happens) when I bounce to clip or create a vvocal clip on just about any project in X1 which was created in an earlier version of Sonar or Pro Audio.
 
Any project I have created within X1 works fine with the X1b patch. This only seems to effect older projects loaded into X1b.
 
To make a long story short, I have been working with Cakewalk customer service for a while now, doing all sorts of stuff to try and fix the issue, to no avail.  (including uninstalling all version of sonar, and deleting anything with the word "sonar" or "cakewalk" in the registry)
 
So, now I am thinking of starting completely from scratch...   buying a new i7 or 2600 based box, and installing X1b on it, and going from there.  But, I dont want to find myself in the same siuation... trying to load an 8.x project into the new x1b on the new server and it still failing, essentially telling me I just wasted a grand or more on a new system.
 
So I am wondering, if anyone has tread this path before me?  Did you have issues with X1b after installing it on your old box, set up a new one just for X1b, and have all problems go away?  Or did they follow the box?
 
I know this is a long shot question, but figured it was worth a try...
 
Thanks!
Aldwyn
 
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    StarTekh
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 11:39:28 (permalink)
    read your post fast: lest go over your old system 1st jon..
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    JClosed
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 11:50:58 (permalink)
    Well - the only thing I can tell is that I did not fully test a system that had 8.5.3 and X1 installed at the same time. I have been bitten too many times by a "clashing" mix of old and new software (and that happens with a lot of software) and have learned my lesson. I always do testing on a dual boot system. One partition with the "old" setup, and one partition with a completely fresh setup. If something does not work as expected in the test environment, it is simply a matter of restarting to the old setup and go on with the work you have to do.

    I always make a image (using the Ultimate Boot Disk), so if something goes wrong in the test environment it takes only a few minutes to restore everything to the pre-experiment setup. This is a simple, easy and safe way to test your new software. No chance to break your old system, and no "left overs" from an old setup in a new system.

    After the tests have run successfully I take a fresh new hard disk and do a completely clean install. I did this with X1, and now run X1 with no traces of 8.5.3 on the new install. This gives me a really stable work environment, I really enjoy at this moment.
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 12:38:17 (permalink)
    I always make a image (using the Ultimate Boot Disk), so if something goes wrong in the test environment it takes only a few minutes to restore everything to the pre-experiment setup. This is a simple, easy and safe way to test your new software. No chance to break your old system, and no "left overs" from an old setup in a new system.

     
    +1001  
    Using a backup image file is the ultimate safety-net.
    You have complete freedom to install/test/experiment...
     
    If the OP is having major issues, I'd start at the base hardware level (test to make sure the core hardware is functioning properly), then move to installing/testing audio hardware... then on to software/plugins.
    Go methodically from one step to the next... and you'll ultimately get the situation ironed out.
     
    Start with the "foundation" (Rock-solid PC combined with a proven audio interface) and work "outward" (software/plugins).

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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 12:40:15 (permalink)
    Well, i just updated from X1 to X1b and it fixed about 5 of my problems, mainly regarding the faulty teleport stuff that freezes my pc, well it doesn't anymore.

    Check out my band's song on YouTube!

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    Aldwyn
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 15:40:27 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys!  Here is my stack:

    Dell 5150, Pentium 4 Prescot DT 630 3.0 GHz
    4GB of memory
    80GB, 7500RPM  ATA hard drive for OS/Programs (including Sonar, Plugins, etc..)
    1TB, 7500RPM ATA hard drive for projects
    1TB USB2 drive to back up my projects on
    Generic Firewire card
    Windows XP (I am not sure, but I suspect it may be Home Media Edition) 32bit

    And my interfaces are:

    Presonus Firepod (older version of the FP10)
    Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI interface
     
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    Aldwyn
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 15:43:14 (permalink)
    BTW, I am using this PC purely as a DAW.  No other software is installed other than bare basics (IE, Firefox, Sonar, McAfee, Spybot, etc..) and music related software (plug ins for Sonar, Line-6 applications for my POD XT, etc..).
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 16:22:48 (permalink)
    Generic Firewire card

     
    TI Chipset Firewire???
    If not, that's absolutely the first thing to address.

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    Aldwyn
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 16:32:27 (permalink)
    I will need to check, but not sure how short of pulling the card.

    But because everything works fine with 8.5.3, and previous versions of Sonar, would the firwire card even be a factor?

    Thanks!
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 16:43:00 (permalink)
    I will need to check, but not sure how short of pulling the card. But because everything works fine with 8.5.3, and previous versions of Sonar, would the firwire card even be a factor?

     
    Look in Device Manger under 1394 Bus Host Controllers.
    If it doesn't specifically mention Texas Instruments... it's not a TI chipset FW controller.
     
    One would think that if all worked well prior... that it would work well with X1.
    The FW controller is an easy thing to swap out.
    Also, if you've just moved to Win7 (previously running WinXP), you may need to switch the FW controller drivers into Legacy mode.

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    Aldwyn
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/03/29 18:07:31 (permalink)
    It says OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Controller... nothing about TI, so assuming it's not.

    And it still works well with 8.5.3!

    I havnt moved to Windows 7... I am still on XP.  Only planning on moving to Windows 7 if I buy a new DAW machine to replace this one.  It just seems like overkill to have to buy a new machine for X1!  But if I do, at least I will have enough power to last me many years of DAW work!

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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/04/08 15:17:42 (permalink)
    Not that we will see many people making the drastic move I did, but just in case we have future searches on this topic:
     
    Moving to another machine seems to have solved my issues.  While I havnt had much time to play with it yet, so far so good with one exception:
     
    I have latency issues when recording/playing though Guitar Rig 4 using input echoing.
     
    But, looks good elsewhere.

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    FocusRite Saffire Pro 40, UM-3G and Yamaha MoX6, etc..
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/04/08 15:57:44 (permalink)
    i had really good luck with a fresh install without 8.5 on it.some have said that may caused a problem..i dont know..it could have..but i bought a brand new computer not a great one either.i3-4ram and im running very nicely with next to no crashes

    Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64
    Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GB
    Focusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
       
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    Re:Old Computer 8.5.3, New Computer, X1b? Any Issues? 2011/04/10 01:48:40 (permalink)
    sorry to say but you guys are likely solving your problem by throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  If the various pieces in your audio chain are actually working ok, you shouldn't have these problems.   I initially had some crash problems with X1 that did not occur with 8.5, but by persistence have X1 running ok now.  The main cause of crash (for me) was that I was trying to force the software to run all in memory, with no swap file, which worked great in 8.5.3; in X1 it took a periodic dump.  I bet you have something like that going on, or you need to take your expansion cards out and clean the contacts, or clean your usb plugs (deoxit).
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