Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart"

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2017/03/14 04:33:13 (permalink)

Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart"

This was originally written in the early 80's while wearing my bass player hat, in that the bass track was cut first to a very simple Linn Drum pattern, then everything else developed on top of that and because of the bass track.

So, this is an attempt to recreate that original feel, and was started a few months ago, picking at it here and there and then finally mixing it in the last few days.

Much like the last for instrumentation:
Drums are Stormdrum1 Kick, Snare and side stick, Clearmountain metal, Damage stick toms.
Real bass, the old '76 Musicman Stingray - fingers only and direct with no amp sim. Just some compression, EQ and reverb.
5 Ovation Adamas acoustic guitar tracks(direct no mic no sim) but they're just seasoning here and there, coming in and out, doing different tasks.

Guitar in this one is my '81 G&L F-100
but I put a Kahler flat mount on it pretty soon after I got it so it's a rare bird for sure and sings like one.

Neck pickup only through Guitar Rig 5, and bass tone rolled off to ...
well if 12:00 was full on and 1:00 was full off, it's at about 3:30 on this one.
I've always noticed that rolling off the bass on this guitar lets it glide like a feather in the wind. Adding the bass there seems to ground it more.

So, the bass track is note for note to the original. Drums about 95%.
I tried to get the guitar track to be 100% authentic but it just went off on it's own about 1/3 of the way through and I like the new part better.

https://soundcloud.com/steve_karl/timeless-heart
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    stevesweat
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 15:06:19 (permalink)
    Sounds really good, Steve! You still have the old version? Would be interesting to hear.

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 15:22:17 (permalink)
    Thank you!
    Yes I do still have the original version but the sound of it is so poor that I don't want to post it anywhere.
    Thanks for listening.
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 15:57:25 (permalink)
    Steve, that was a lot of fun to hear.  It's cool when you can revive an old song, and hopefully improve on it.  Well done.

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 15:58:14 (permalink)
    Thanks Lynn!
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 16:23:04 (permalink)
    Great sounds!  

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/14 16:27:02 (permalink)
    Thanks ehp221!
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/16 19:04:37 (permalink)
    Wow...  I really liked that.    Just a great tune all around. 
    The bass sounds great, almost fretless (?), and the lead guitar gave me a slight Scott Henderson vibe.   In fact, that 80's-90's "fusion" era is what this reminded me of.   Well done.

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/16 19:39:22 (permalink)
    Thanks stevec!
    The bass is fretted but the frets are very small.
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/17 00:41:24 (permalink)
    I dig it.  Love the solo work, interesting phrasing and clean playing.  A real nice song all the way around man.  Bass work got my attention too. Synth drums kind of held it back for me, a nice jazzy acoustic kit with a tasteful drummer would just make this perfect. 

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/17 01:18:06 (permalink)
    Thanks Voda!
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/19 00:49:07 (permalink)
    Wonderful playing and arrangement (changes are very creative) -- the mix is terrific too!  It's great to hear some fantastic guitar playing...I enjoyed this...
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/19 01:28:42 (permalink)
    Steve,
     
    Great production, really enjoyed all the guitar and bass playing.   The drums don't quite match up with the overall performance but still an awesome track.   Mix and production are really good.
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/19 01:56:03 (permalink)
    ABull
    Wonderful playing and arrangement (changes are very creative) -- the mix is terrific too!  It's great to hear some fantastic guitar playing...I enjoyed this...
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/19 01:56:36 (permalink)
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    Steve,
     
    Great production, really enjoyed all the guitar and bass playing.   The drums don't quite match up with the overall performance but still an awesome track.   Mix and production are really good.
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/20 16:10:57 (permalink)
    Sounded nice and I enjoyed, what more could you ask for, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/20 16:16:10 (permalink)
    Thanks Wookiee!
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/23 06:00:18 (permalink)
    Nice overall sound Steve. I'd be interested to know how you eq'd to get that nice burpy bass sound.
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/23 13:21:21 (permalink)
    Thanks Wal,
    ... just a little bit of pro channel EQ and compression.
    I'll try to remember to take a screen shot of it and put it here so you can see.

    Edit: Here are 2 grabs of the EQs used:
    Channel EQ:

    Larger image here: http://www.sightsea.com/renders/timeless_heart/mm_channel.jpg



    and then the bus EQ and compression on bus:

    Larger image here: http://www.sightsea.com/r...eless_heart/mm_bus.jpg
    post edited by Steve_Karl - 2017/03/23 18:36:11
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/23 22:54:54 (permalink)
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    Thanks Wal,
    ... just a little bit of pro channel EQ and compression.
    I'll try to remember to take a screen shot of it and put it here so you can see.

    Edit: Here are 2 grabs of the EQs used:
    Channel EQ:

    Larger image here: http://www.sightsea.com/renders/timeless_heart/mm_channel.jpg



    and then the bus EQ and compression on bus:

    Larger image here: http://www.sightsea.com/r...eless_heart/mm_bus.jpg




    Thanks Steve. I'm going to try those curves.
     
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    Re: Old Song New Recording: "Timeless Heart" 2017/03/23 23:18:40 (permalink)
    You're welcome Wal,
    But I'd recommend to trust your ears and adjust your EQ to work in your situation and for each specific song.
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