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Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
I was going to post this on another thread but thought better of it... This afternoon our old dog can't seem to get up anymore. I heard her howling in the doghouse, got her up and out... in a bit I had to help her up again a couple of times, again a few minutes ago. I will have to put her down tomorrow. I am torn between taking her to the vet (where she will be terrified) for a shot or just putting her down at home with a bullet or anything sudden and painless . I just am not sure where to shoot her, back of the head I would guess but I don't know. I have .40 clad and 12 guage 00 buck but if I do it myself I want her to not feel it. I want it sudden and over... my fear is that I will mess up but I really hate taking her to die where she will be scared in her last minutes. Does anyone have any advice? I think digging the hole will really be about all I can do... my back will HATE me for it but it is my responsibility. Well, thanks... is my thinking all wrong? I am not sure what to do, I want to do what is best for her and while I don't want the trauma, I will man up to my responsibility.. but neither do I want to make a mistake. Confused... J
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 18:55:27
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J, REALLY SORRY to hear. Take her in to the vet. IMHO you dont need to deal with the what-ifs later down the road. She wont feel a thing there, she will just go to sleep peacefully. I lost mine Christmas eve and was actually turning to our friends here but I never could bring myself to talk about with anyone anywhere. Im almost in tears thinking about it now. They are family and deserve the peacefulness of what a vet can provide. Again Man, So sorry to hear Bella was the one in the back. She comforted me in a time when I was not doing well at all and it killed me to know that I couldnt do a thing for her when she had a major seizure that caused me to have to make the call to put her down. I had already taken her to the Animal ER and she was there from the time shortly after her seizure until the doctor called and said they were doing CPR to keep her going. Its a very tough call for a loved one but I cant see them suffer either. Poor girl was only 3 years old and 3 lbs when she left us but at least she isnt suffering. Take care
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 19:06:42
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I agree but she is terrified of the vet... she hasn't been there in years because she is so nervous about it. I have to carry her in and she is a border collie mix. I adopted her when she was about a year old and she has always been really shy. She has never liked to be petted, never liked me or anyone putting a hand on her head unless from the bottom. She is "peculiar" and it bothers me to think she will live her last minutes in fear. My wife agrees with you but I am not convinced... but you are probably right. I really don't mind "taking care of it" if I can know what I am doing... I am a bit old school about things like this anyway... in some ways I feel like I am a 19th century throwback, then again, I've never had to do this. Last year her pup died and I let that go on too long, I am not going to do that again. Thanks for the advice. Julien
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 19:09:56
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Call your vet and get some relaxers before taking her in?
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 19:11:16
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I feel exactly what your saying.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 19:38:00
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Julien, I know your post may be received with many different views. I grew up on a farm where vets were not common for for small animals treatment. I saw lots of dogs and cats come and go, and as morbid as it may sound, dogs be dispatched by a .22 when dying. Remeber , it was rural, and a whole different time/ IF there was something you could put her food to put her to sleep peacefully then that would be the best. Perhaps you can research it.The bullet would do the same , but the lasting image of it can be traumatic, and if you miss, as well you may under the circumstances, then there is that whole scene to deal with. Good luck with your decision.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 19:40:48
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That sucks. Try calling around to see if any vets will come over to do it. It's rare but some will make house calls for this. If not maybe see if you can go pick up a dose of the shot so you can do it at home yourself. You probably don't want to carrying around the memory of having to shoot her, man or not. It's just a very grim thing to deal with. Sorry to hear about the puppy. I hope you feel better.
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2013/03/15 19:49:27
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 20:40:52
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Hi Julian, You know what to do what is best for her, as sad as it is. Reading the thread title, I thought is was you saying goodbye. Scared the hell out of me ........
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 20:48:12
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I feel really sad just reading what needs to be done :-( Sorry you have to go thru this. She won't suffer no more and will be at peace.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 21:26:16
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Same here J...my sincere condolences. I'd take her to the Vet too. The nerve thing will pass once they give her a relaxing shot. You're quite a man to even consider doing it yourself. I really couldn't do that. I'd be too afraid to mess up or sit there and look at the after-effects...it's just not the way to do it in my opinion. Too many things can happen that could really make this nastier than it needs to be. -Danny
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 22:00:49
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I'm so so sorry to hear this Julien. My advise is the Vet also. I offer my condolences to you and your family
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2013/03/15 22:08:42
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My sympathies. It's always tough to lose a friend or a member of the family. I'd go with the vet.
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2013/03/15 22:11:28
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Agree, get the vet to do it.
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2013/03/15 22:53:41
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sorry J :( my heart goes out to you man.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/15 23:38:09
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+1 for either some kind of tranquilizers and taking her to the vet, or trying to get a vet to make a home visit. It's not that there's anything morally wrong with the gun method, it's just that I can't help feeling that's not how you want to see her go. Are there any sleeping pills in the house? Might be worth trying a few of those to get her off to sleep before taking her to the vet. Good luck with whichever way you decide, and my sincere condolences.
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2013/03/16 00:28:51
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Explain to the vet that you want her completely relaxed and to feel nothing ... and specifically ask that they give her IV valium first. My condolences.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/16 00:35:04
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My condolences Julian. I like the idea of asking the vet to make a house call. Not sure I would like having the memory of me putting her away myself.
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2013/03/16 04:44:49
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Sorry to hear that Julien, it's always a heartbreaking time. Whenever we've needed this to be done, the vet has always come to the house. It's less stressful for the animal that way. Please, don't even consider doing it yourself.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/16 04:52:14
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My condolences, Julien. :( I've had to take one of our cats to the vet last year. The doctor allowed me to be there w/ her so I could caress her tiny little head as she fell asleep and then passed away. He gave 2 injections - one to relax her, and then one to put her down. Not a pleasant experience, but it sure beats having to put her down myself.
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2013/03/16 08:28:05
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So sorry to hear that Julien...
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/16 09:09:15
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The vet is the best option. Doing it yourself, with a beloved pet, will be very hard to do. For goodness sakes don't use 12ga buckshot or a .40....that's something you would not want to see or remember. A .22 short or LR is more than sufficient and was the way it was done in the old days. It is good to consider the local animal laws as well. You could end up in more trouble than it's worth in some jurisdictions for discharging a firearm and animal cruelty.... believe it or not.... for putting your dog out of it's pain with a gun. Many times a dog which would be terrified of the vet, will not be so frightened when it is distracted by the pain it is suffering. Always a hard decision to make. So far, all of my family pets have died peacefully in their sleep.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/16 09:15:45
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Truly sorry to hear you are losing a true friend. Try and get a vet to call round it will be easier on your friend, you and your family. Thinking of you and lending you some strength Julian.
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/16 11:27:30
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Your vet will gladly provide you with some tranquilizers beforehand. So sorry, ol pal.
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2013/03/16 13:47:26
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Thank you everyone for the kind and understanding words. Actually, my wife decided it for me, she told me this morning that I was not to do it myself but to take her (the dog) to the vet because she didn't want to think about it, it troubled her. BUT.... This morning, she got out of the doghouse, walked around, laid in the sun a bit, got back in the house, then a couple of hours ago I saw her get back out and go find some shade to lay in. I took her a little bowl of dry cat food. She likes it because it is small. So... I guess she is better. I don't know why she couldn't get up yesterday, perhaps she was sliding in the cedar shavings, she had a bare spot where she had been laying and I've had a 100w bulb in a clip on spot in the house because of the cold. She had been struggling to get up right under the light and I think she got overheated and it sapped all her strength yesterday. I turned the light off because it has been warmer and like I said, she seems better... now if I can get her to eat again. I've been feeding her cheddar cheese chunks, cut up smoked sausage, and pepperoni for the last few months. She wont eat much else except pizza or fried chicken, she wont even eat steak... very picky. I still think the end is near and I am not going to prolong it like I did with Brownie, her pup who died last year. I kept him going longer than I should have but she still has her sense, to find the sun, shade, eat what she likes, and I don't hear her whining except yesterday. I am going to go ahead and get a hole dug and line it and the backfill dirt with a sheet of plastic, then when the time comes, I'll be ready and take her to the vet or arrange for one to come here. I know, you are right about people getting upset about a gunshot or about me taking responsibility. I don't like it much. I shoot my .22 here sometimes if the squirrel population gets too high, but since we got this Manx cat.. that does not seem to be a problem. Heck, 20 years ago we lived a couple of miles from here in a country subdivision, one road, our house at the end... woods beyond it and a pasture behind the house. I regularly shot dove in the evening when they would fly over the house going into the woods to roost. They were yummy! I'd shoot and eat squirrel but my wife isn't interested. I swear, I have a hard time with society these days. Shoot... I didn't mean to say so much. Thanks again. I will let you know what happens. I was really surprised that she recovered her ability to get up... but I am glad I have a little more time. Julien
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/18 10:19:31
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I'm glad you were given some extra time. You have my sincere and heartfelt condolences. It is very hard to say goodbye like that. You obviously do want to minimize her suffering. I agree with the others here who recommended using the vet to ease her passing. I have had to put down pets before and it is a sad, sad thing. I have also made the decision to end the suffering sooner rather than later if the end was immanent and inevitable. I hope you find some peace here.
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2013/03/18 10:52:07
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well Julien, perhaps she ingested something bad around there, not poison, but something that got her sick. I had some scares with my dog(the one in my avatar), found her lethargic in the yard and rushed her to the vet, he couldnt find anything wrong with her but gave her meds and a checkup. Since you were going to the vet, have you considered bringing her for a diagnosis?
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2013/03/18 13:10:55
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Many times a dog which would be terrified of the vet, will not be so frightened when it is distracted by the pain it is suffering. That's what I found with Ralf (still my avatar after all these years.) I don't know that he was in pain so much as he was weak, but either way he didn't seem anxious or frightened, and usually he trembled whenever he went to the vet. There's no way around it; it's a horrible thing to have to do. You can only trust that you're doing the best thing for your beloved pet, but I know that doesn't really make it any easier. Julien, I'm glad to hear you and your dog have some extra time together. I agree with the others who've said it's best to leave it to the vet where there's a controlled environment and outcome when the time does come. I know both times I've had to put my dogs down I had to ask "Is it over?" since it happened so quickly. Any good vet knows how hard it is on the family, too, and tries to make the experience as non-traumatic as possible for the pet and their humans alike. It's a hard thing to go through, that's for sure. -Susan
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Re:Old dog, last day(s) ...advice needed.
2013/03/18 14:36:30
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For what it's worth, I've found several vets in my area that are willing to make house calls for this purpose, even though our regular vet will not. If it were up to me (and not my wife) I would make one of these vets the regular vet. The fact that they are willing to do this is a tribute to their thoughtfulness. You might want to check around a bit. The extra money it would cost isn't all that much and would things easier for both you and your pet. Good luck. This is never easy.
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2013/03/18 17:05:50
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Since you were going to the vet, have you considered bringing her for a diagnosis? No. She is old. She has not eaten much in a while, in fact she wont eat at all unless she really likes the food. Her nose has been dry for a month or so, her breath is really foul, she has the hip problem that dogs get where she ends up in an odd squatting position if she stands in place for a minute or two. She is just OLD and her time is near. I know it wont be long but I'll give her until I feel she is in pain or really not motivated to live anymore. I've lost a lot of pets over the years, this wont be the worst by any means. We gave her a good home and she had a good life but really she has never been an endearing dog. She has always been standoffish but I never had to worry about anyone (or their cat) coming into the backyard uninvited, lol. I am tired of being a dog chef though, every day having to try to fix something she will eat... gets old. She got leftover pepperoni pizza today, that is one of the few things she will usually eat. Thanks for the idea though! @ Susan... thanks! @dmbaer We found one here and I may do that. Thanks. Julien
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