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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 17:04:10
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 17:31:59
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 20:38:24
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So, I pulled the trigger on SynthMaster...$79 from Sweetwater. I’ll check it out over the weekend. Are there any “expansion” packs you folks would recommend?
‘Still haven’t gotten Omnisphere 2 out of my mind though.😀 I really like Trillian so Omnisphere 2 is calling my name...al...al... al...😄
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 20:46:03
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amiller
So, I pulled the trigger on SynthMaster...$79 from Sweetwater. I’ll check it out over the weekend. Are there any “expansion” packs you folks would recommend?
‘Still haven’t gotten Omnisphere 2 out of my mind though.😀 I really like Trillian so Omnisphere 2 is calling my name...al...al... al...😄
Enjoy! Now, you know you get a VIP pack of patches if you have both Trillian and Omnisphere that layers both instruments in the patches... 
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 21:31:28
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I vaguely remember something about interoperability between Omnisphere and Trillian but I got Trillian awhile back so I don’t remember the details.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 23:30:55
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You can run Trillian patches in Omnisphere, as they share the same engine. That means you can create multis out of both libraries, e.g. bass in the lower octave, strings on top. (Ditto for Keyscape. There are even a set of free patches that combine Keyscape with Omnisphere. Great combination.)
As for Synthmaster add-ons, grab everything by Nori Ubukata. There are 7 of them. Currently just 8 bucks apiece.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/17 23:33:02
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amiller
So, I pulled the trigger on SynthMaster...$79 from Sweetwater. I’ll check it out over the weekend. Are there any “expansion” packs you folks would recommend?
‘Still haven’t gotten Omnisphere 2 out of my mind though.😀 I really like Trillian so Omnisphere 2 is calling my name...al...al... al...😄
For SM expansions, definitely the 'Historic Synth Giants vol 1-4' (cool classic synth stuff) and 'Art Rock Basics' (some cool Mellotron stuff) from Nori Ubukati, and the ' Analog Basics' (Jarre and Vangelis, etc.) and ' Big Tone Signature Sounds' from Big Tone. Big Tone is very creative with use of mod wheel, pitch bend, and velocity, so his patches are very playable. And Nori really nails the the classic synth sounds used on many recordings.  Recommend listening to the Soundcloud demo links for these banks and see which you prefer. These expansions are listed at $8 each right now, but are actually $6.75 each when you put 5+ in the shopping cart at KV331. When you purchase between 5-9 preset banks, the following coupon will automatically be applied: EXP5PACK, and you will save 10% http://www.synthmaster.co...hmasterexpansions.aspx
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 05:03:19
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I bought the Nori Ubukati expansions and had some time to check them out during a studio meet with my bass player tonight. Man, we love them. My bass player is a huge Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Kansas...etc. fan. These packs are spot on.
I’m thinking I might just pass on Omnisphere for now. I’m pretty happy with SynthMaster.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 05:33:57
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I bought the Nori Ubukati expansions and had some time to check them out during a studio meet with my bass player tonight. Man, we love them. My bass player is a huge Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Kansas...etc. fan. These packs are spot on.
I’m thinking I might just pass on Omnisphere for now. I’m pretty happy with SynthMaster.
Great to hear you are satisfied with SM! It has some great sounds, and can clearly emulate nearly any synth!!! Someday I may try Omnisphere, but in the meantime, I am learning new things about SM everyday! 
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 07:05:23
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I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MEN! Omnisphere is in a class by itself. The presets alone will give you any sound you could possibly want. It's put together cleverly. It's definitely worth the money, even if it's the only one you own.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 15:40:53
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Yep, Omnisphere is an absolute must-buy but quite expensive, while SynthMaster will get you high quality at a crazily low price.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 16:11:43
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Yeah, I don’t think anyone is saying anything negative about Omnisphere 2 at all. It’s a basic economic decision. SynthMaster @ $79.00 vs Omnisphere @ $479. If SynthMaster delivers everything thing I need it’s a pretty easy decision. I’m sure there’s some really cool stuff in Omnisphere 2 that’s beyond SynthMaster, however, I really don’t need a lot of what it offers. For instance, I don’t need or want any EDM stuff...’just not my thing.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 16:13:46
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By the way, thanks everyone for chiming in. I never even heard of SynthMaster before this thread. You guys ROCK!
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 16:26:28
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By the way, thanks everyone for chiming in. I never even heard of SynthMaster before this thread. You guys ROCK!
Rock on! Can't wait to hear what you do with it! 
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 16:47:03
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Yep, Omnisphere is an absolute must-buy but quite expensive, while SynthMaster will get you high quality at a crazily low price.
I never doubted that Omnisphere is as good as they say. Everyone that has it seems to love it. But the idea of paying $500 for software in one shot is what has held me up. The last time I did that was for Photoshop almost 20 years ago. But I have surely spent more than that collectively on other virtual instruments, and I now have many to choose from, and stack together like a synth rack to create unusual multi combinations. My favorites synths right now are the SynthMasters, IK Syntronik, and iZotope Iris 2. Next up I would really like to add a few u-he synths, including the Zebra! I will probably acquire Omnisphere someday, when the budget allows, because I certainly would like to try it out. I really wish Spectrasonics would make the Omnisphere purchase available in a modular fashion, like selling the core synth with a basic factory sound collection, and then allowing the customer to expand it with the full presets by buying a bank at a time.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/18 21:05:44
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I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MEN! Omnisphere is in a class by itself. The presets alone will give you any sound you could possibly want. It's put together cleverly. It's definitely worth the money, even if it's the only one you own. Incorrect. There are many sounds Omnisphere do not cover well or at all. I have some other synths for example that produce sounds that Omnisphere could not even dream of doing too. Once you have a battery of other virtual instruments then spending another $500 ($660 AU dollars BTW!!) just seems like less and less of a good idea. Because between the battery of synths you may have you will more than likely have way more sounds and over a much larger range. The other thing you have to watch as well is if you use Omnisphere for absolutely everything you will get the same sonic signature with every sound that comes out of it. This does not happen when you use an army of very different sounding synths. Maybe if you had nothing at all it could be a great investment for sure. But even then for serious synthesists you will have to start adding others anyway for their distinct sound.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 06:36:40
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Yep, Omnisphere is an absolute must-buy but quite expensive, while SynthMaster will get you high quality at a crazily low price.
I never doubted that Omnisphere is as good as they say. Everyone that has it seems to love it. But the idea of paying $500 for software in one shot is what has held me up. The last time I did that was for Photoshop almost 20 years ago.
But I have surely spent more than that collectively on other virtual instruments, and I now have many to choose from, and stack together like a synth rack to create unusual multi combinations. My favorites synths right now are the SynthMasters, IK Syntronik, and iZotope Iris 2. Next up I would really like to add a few u-he synths, including the Zebra!
I will probably acquire Omnisphere someday, when the budget allows, because I certainly would like to try it out.
I really wish Spectrasonics would make the Omnisphere purchase available in a modular fashion, like selling the core synth with a basic factory sound collection, and then allowing the customer to expand it with the full presets by buying a bank at a time.
I got mine on KVR for $180. Its Nfr, But Its Upgradeable. Spectrasonics Allows License Transfers With Permission.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 15:18:37
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...the idea of paying $500 for software in one shot is what has held me up. The last time I did that was for Photoshop almost 20 years ago.
Well, there ya go. Are you not still using Photoshop 20 years later?
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 16:27:00
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Well, there ya go. Are you not still using Photoshop 20 years later?
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 18:30:49
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I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MEN! Omnisphere is in a class by itself. The presets alone will give you any sound you could possibly want. It's put together cleverly. It's definitely worth the money, even if it's the only one you own.
Incorrect. There are many sounds Omnisphere do not cover well or at all. I have some other synths for example that produce sounds that Omnisphere could not even dream of doing too. Once you have a battery of other virtual instruments then spending another $500 ($660 AU dollars BTW!!) just seems like less and less of a good idea. Because between the battery of synths you may have you will more than likely have way more sounds and over a much larger range.
I disagree with the original poster (eph221) as well, particularly in regards to presets. The presets do not give me any sound you could possibly want, at least IMO. Also, at a minimum, most people would want a sampler as well. Jeff Evans
The other thing you have to watch as well is if you use Omnisphere for absolutely everything you will get the same sonic signature with every sound that comes out of it. This does not happen when you use an army of very different sounding synths.
I disagree with the idea that Omnisphere 2 has a sonic signature. O2 doesn't just have wave tables of a square wave, a sawtooth, a sine, etc. It has wave forms from OBX, Roland Jupiter, Moog, Sequential Circuits, and so on. Many old synths have a signature because of the oscillators and filers they used. O2 has a battery of oscillators and filters. If you program it yourself you can get OBX, Roland Jupiter, JP 8080, Moog, and a lot of other sounds besides. If a person doesn't like to program and just uses presets, then yes, they'll need a lot of synths.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 20:31:58
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 21:25:52
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/19 22:16:47
Well I have been producing music using synthesisers now for the last 37 years and been paid very well for doing so as well. So I know a thing or two about synths, more than most. One of the things I have realised is there is NOT one synth, hardware or software than can do it all. End of story. Many make the claim and like to think it but in fact it is actually impossible. And even if there was such a thing it will still suffer from everything sounding just a little similar that comes out of it. Plus there is always something it won't be able to do.
The key is texture and texture comes from using multiple instruments that all have different sonic signatures. Some here will agree. I have got well over 100 virtual instruments plus 10 serious hardware devices and collectively this will blow Omnisphere right out of the water. Between all of them there would be over a million patches I would say. Plus they all sound a little different. Sure many things cross over and overlap but overall the range of sounds becomes staggering once you go down this path.
The only thing here though is that you have to learn all the OS systems of everything you have and that can be daunting at times.
The OP may not actually need Omnisphere but simply a great instrument that will cover very well what he wants and needs. That is the key. And he will get that for way less than the cost of Omnisphere. One day I will buy it too. Because yes there will be some real nice sounds in it that I can use for sure. I will wait for the gig first and let them pay for it though.
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 22:05:19
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eph221
Jeff evans, serious synthesist. I'll remember that.😇
I assume that you are only kidding, right? If you have been following Jeff's contributions to this forum, you should realize that he is a subject matter expert when it comes to synthesis! I would also suggest that buying Omnisphere won't automatically make you one, either! Only experience can do that!
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 22:32:44
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Re: Omnisphere 2 or no?
2017/11/19 22:58:32
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