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One more ACT Question...

OK...so I've pretty much got ACT well in hand. But there is one thing that I've never quite figured out:

If I load the Rapture standalone and use Rapture's built-in MIDI Learn function, I can easily assign buttons on my controller to toggle the elements on/off. I just right-click an element on/off button, click MIDI Learn and then press the button on the controller. Voila! The button toggles the element on and off.

In ACT, things are not so simple. I've figured out all of the ways you can assign controller buttons for ACT actions (i.e. to switch banks/tracks, enable ACT Learn, ect.), SONAR menu commands, transport actions, and so forth. But I can't find a way to simply assign a button as a toggle within a plugin such as Rapture. Looking at the Cell MIDI Properties dialog box (CTRL+click a cell to bring this up), I don't even see any button-related setup parameters. There are settings that apply to rotaries & sliders...but nothing to configure buttons.

Soooo, is ACT simply not capable of basic toggle button assignments, or am I missing something obvious here?? It's really great to be able to use my controller's buttons for advanced functions and ACT modifiers. But I'd like to be able make simple toggle assignments too.
post edited by Infinite5ths - 2007/04/10 14:40:24

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    Infinite5ths
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/10 21:02:54 (permalink)
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/10 21:31:49 (permalink)
    Don't know if this helps, but midi off/on messages are usually 0/127. I haven't messed with ACT much, and use my BCF2k in Mackie mode.

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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 01:47:20 (permalink)
    Yes...I knew that. Often you can even choose how the button sends those messages -- i.e. toggle (press once = 127, press again = 0) or momentary (press-hold = 127, release = 0). Unfortunately, ACT doesn't seem to support translating these simple messages into on/off parameter toggles. I can't find a way to do this. It seems that ACT is more geared towards using sliders & knobs to modify parameters, while using buttons to execute commands, perform ACT-related functions & control sequencer functions like the Transport. Oh well....it's not the end of the world. I was just a little surprised when I set the on/off toggles in Rapture's standalone (simple & easy procedure), then tried to do the same within SONAR using ACT -- and found I could not do so.

    How long have you been in Rochester? I've been a SONAR user for a couple years now, and I just left Rochester at the end of last July. [I finished school and returned to North Carolina.] I'm surprised we didn't bump into each other in ROC.
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 08:21:32 (permalink)
    I assume you can't just make ACT think the button is a slider?

    I've been here for 50+ years. It's not surprising that we haven't met considering the age difference. We may have seen each other at concerts but, as they say, the memory is the 2nd thing to go. I just listened to your "Winter in Rochester". Very well done! I can't help think of the last time I was in NC (Winston-Salem). I was with a product manager interviewing users of out telecom software. In the morning I turned on the local news and there had been a freak snowfall during the night and most of the clients canceled. The weathermen were treating it like a disaster. I ran to the window and there was only about 3" of snow on the ground. We were laughing our a**es off. People were driving on the highway at 10-20mph and Wake-Forest was like a ghost town. We ended up spending most of our time at the hotel bar. :)


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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 10:03:51 (permalink)
    Yeah....that would be North Carolina. We treat snow like a national holiday.

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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 10:06:56 (permalink)
    The generic control surface has the toggle function, can you set up both that and ACT for the same controller? I never tried it but why wouldn't it work?
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 10:26:54 (permalink)
    Hmmm....I tried it; but it doesn't seem to work well in conjunction with an ACT config on the same controller. Thanks for the suggestion.

    I managed to get one button functioning with Rapture.....but I do have to "double-press" the button to get the element to toggle on/off. And I can't seem to get ACT to recognize my other buttons for this....very strange. Oh well, I guess button<-->parameter functionality wasn't really high on this list of ACT priorities.

    It's not really worth my time to mess with it any more. Thanks folks!

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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 11:19:22 (permalink)
    Hope you don't mind if I tack on one more ACT question to your thread.

    Is there a way that you can use ACT with more than one controller?? Let's say hypothetically you have two Edirol PCR 800's, and want to control Rapture on one, and Dimesion on the other. Can each synth use the sliders/faders for the keyboard controlling it?
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 11:24:44 (permalink)
    Yes. Since you need to specify a MIDI port for each controller, you could set up multiple controllers with different setups coming on distinct MIDI inputs...You can then just save each controller's ACT preset and have as many as you want depending on how many MIDI ports you have...
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 11:51:23 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jinga8

    Yes. Since you need to specify a MIDI port for each controller, you could set up multiple controllers with different setups coming on distinct MIDI inputs...You can then just save each controller's ACT preset and have as many as you want depending on how many MIDI ports you have...


    Cool !! I'm still a ways from that scenerio, but thanks for the answer, jinga. I have a lot to learn about ACT!!
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 12:08:51 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

    Hope you don't mind if I tack on one more ACT question to your thread.

    Is there a way that you can use ACT with more than one controller?? Let's say hypothetically you have two Edirol PCR 800's, and want to control Rapture on one, and Dimesion on the other. Can each synth use the sliders/faders for the keyboard controlling it?



    I dont this this is possible. You can set up two ACT surfaces but both with point to which ever plugin is in focus. You cannot have one controlling a non-focused plugin

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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 12:18:59 (permalink)
    you know, cGar is right. You can have each controller setup to control a different synth, but its no more useful than having one controller control ACT with a different focuses...I totally forgot about the focus part... The only way to do this would be to have one controlling Sonar through a generic surface and one with ACT...
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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 12:37:06 (permalink)
    Always something, hey? Then it seems there's no need for more than one controller with a lot of knobs and faders, at least for now.

    No biggy,,, maybe this is something they will work on in the future.

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    RE: One more ACT Question... 2007/04/11 13:03:44 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: harmony gardens
    Hope you don't mind if I tack on one more ACT question to your thread.


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    Re: RE: One more ACT Question... 2010/01/24 11:14:05 (permalink)
    I have a controller roland vm 7200 and I can not get it to work with act, does not appear in the presets and there are the names of other controllers in SONAR 8, how can I do to create a preset for my controller roland vm 7200?? and how to configure it to make it working? Who can help maybe contact me via email francescogrecomusica@yahoo.it thanks
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