One thing I don't like about the console view

i dislike in track view that if i select all, it doesn't automatically select buses, so if i insert measures in a project i have to remember to manually select all the busses so that the automation is slid over on insert.  meh. 

I like having them separated the way they are.

I set one screenset to all tracks, and one to all buses.

It's especially handy if you have a lot of buses. I usually have almost as many buses as I do tracks.

What I would like to see though, is the ability to rearrange tracks in console view. I think we used to be able to do that prior to the X series.

im not sure if you know this but you can drag the curtain divider and pull it up tight to the tracks,
thats what i do,i never have that space in there.
simply grab the divider(where the busses start) and drag it verticaly towards your tracks.

you can also hide things you dont want to see like the metrodone (after all recording is done)

Beepster


I seem to recall someone suggesting having an option to pop out a track's related bus right beside the strip in the console. I think that can be done in the inspector though can it not?

Its the default for the Track Inspector if you have the Inspector extended to two strips. The track will be next to the buss it goes to. 

John

Beepster


I seem to recall someone suggesting having an option to pop out a track's related bus right beside the strip in the console. I think that can be done in the inspector though can it not?

Its the default for the Track Inspector if you have the Inspector extended to two strips. The track will be next to the buss it goes to. 

Yup. Sorry. Getting confused. The problem is as soon as you go into the Clips or Track tabs the strips are partially obscured.

I just now remembered that the only way to get back to that Track/Bus strip view in the Inspector is to click the currently selected tab so it is no longer glowing blue. It's a very weird way of doing things and I think they should fix that. I've actually been through this process of learning how to get to just the raw strips in the Inspector multiple times now and I STILL forgot how to do it because of the way it's set up. I just think it's not very user friendly in that regard. There should be a separate tab just for the strips or a close button for the Clip/Track menus that obscure the strips. I didn't even learn how to do that from the manual or any of the other resources. I spent a couple of hours freaking out poking at everything I could until I brought the strips to the top. lol

I'd like to see folders in the console view like in track view. I think it would be a big screen space saver for those with one monitor and would be very helpfull for projects with many tracks.

This is an interesting topic.  I like the separated views, personally.  I leave the Track Inspector visible with the Console View maximized in the Multidock and often keep the CV bus pane fully collapsed.  I always have the output bus of the focused track immediately available in the Inspector.  This doesn't work for sends, though.  Due to this, I've always wanted to adjust the behavior so that if you click in a send module on a strip, it's the send output, rather than the track output, that is shown to the right in the Inspector.  This would facilitate a way to do the thing I need most often: get to the FX bin of the send bus.

I'll be sure to adopt Bub's workflow of having a secondary CV screenset that shows the bus pane.

Beepster


Heh. Thanks guys but I can do all that pretty easily. What I'm saying is there is only one way to get at just the strips in the Inspector and that is by clicking whatever tab is currently selected. Like I said it's just not very apparent or user friendly. Cycling through the various Inspector views is easy peasy. Getting at the plain strips is not. 

I'll remember it eventually but I have a feeling I'm gonna trip on this one again a few more times before it is fully ingrained in my thinking noodle.

Cheers.

I think I understand Beep. I do think its so simple that its perhaps too simple. Once I figured this out by reading the forum BTW it was a no brainer . 
Bill I also like the separated views too. I'm not sure how buss folders would work or if they are needed but I don't think if they were implemented it would cause a problem.  

I picked up a tidbit with Roger H's mention of the drag trick. Thanks for that. But as far as the original question goes, I really like the bus area separated and being able to drag it out for a complete or less complete view of them in the console view. I use it all the time and like it. Also I'm a huge fan of being able to hide and show tracks and busses as needed with Command H. I do that all the time to keep my attention on the part I'm working on and hiding away the stuff I don't need at the moment.

another thing ive been doing lately is some what odd but a great space saver.
in track view(this is typical multitrack recording for me)i like to have the inspector open,but i dont really need the double width(track and master) so i grab the inspectors side and resize it to only where the track is showing.(cutting its size in half)
This is nice because you still have control over a slider M/S and other track controls with out having to expand things in track view.

fully color-customizable console strips

 
Similar to PT?  If so then +1 from me! 

Absolutely Charlie!

A couple of my thoughts on this subject:

1. Sonar should stop treating tracks and busses separately. Cakewalk should improve the routing (a la Reaper) so that tracks can output to other tracks, be sent to other tracks, etc. effective merging tracks and busses. This is great for everything from drum mixing (have your kick direct buss right next to your kick tracks), weird routing fx fun, realtime recording of VSTi or track output in a single pass, etc. It also negates the need for them to be separated in the console.

2. Sonar needs a dynamically resizable console view (a la Reaper). There's zero point in having a dockable console if the channel faders are too tall to be fully exposed. The console needs to adjust dynamically to the window size (yes, this will mean using vectors rather than bitmaps).

3. The width of stips in the console view needs to decrease. Wide strips should be no wider than they were in the 8.5 console. As of now, they're just too wide.

4. The effects bins need to be larger. I need to be able to see more than 3 effects at a given time. Let's also add a smaller font to the names too to squeeze some extra characters there.

5. I need to be able to see multiple sends at once. After Volume, Pan, and Effects, Sends are the next most used console feature. I need to be able to see more than one at a time. Real estate in the Sonar console view should be prioritized on the most commonly used features.

6. We should get a full screen Console mode a la Cubase 7. When I'm mixing, having much larger effect bins and even more exposed sends along with longer channel strips would be fantastic. A full screen mode for the Console would be a terrific addition. Even when the Console view is maximized and Sonar is in Full Screen mode, the Windows menu bar appears. Plus, I'm still limited to 3 visible effects and 1 visible send.

  I use Bub's approach also. One screenset for channels and one screenset buses only.
  The change that I would like to see ,being a touchscreen user, is being able to float track view to another screen.
  I have one touch and one non touch monitor. I like to display the track view on one monitor and the console view on the other. It would be nice to set up screensets that swap the views between the monitors .
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I like Bub's screenset idea as well.

I never realized that you had to select the busses as well when inserting measures. That's going to make life much easier in the future.

Personally, I like it the way it is. It's more like real consoles but I see the advantages of just putting the busses and tracks where ever. There have been a few times I wished I could have.