Open PRV and all MIDI notes selected. Any chance of a Quick Fix?

Yeah I find this really annoying too but assumed it was 'by design' [but as with many design features cannot fathom the logic for it being so]...I've got used to doing Select None after opening the PRV.

It is by design I guess because it doesn't always happen.

The notes are only all selected if the whole track is selected when opening the PRV, which of course if you doubleclick on the track to open the PRV it is.

Try this you'll see what I mean.......

1. Select a MIDI track by clicking on the track header.
2. If the track data becomes selected, click again to deselect it.
3. Now press Alt+3 to open the PRV.

You'll now have a MIDI track displayed in the PRV with no notes selected.

Before anyone jumps on me I'm not defending X1 on this because it bugs me as well, I'm just pointing out why it's that way.

It's always been like that, it's not new in X1.  You've selected a track, it's highlighted.  A simple click in an empty space de-selects all the notes.

Randy B.

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rbowser


It's always been like that, it's not new in X1.  You've selected a track, it's highlighted.  A simple click in an empty space de-selects all the notes.

Randy B.

Not in my 8.5.  I just rechecked.  Select midi clip (goes dark in track view).  Double click on the darkened clip, PRV opens with no notes selected.  Same behaviour whether the clip is selected or not.  No, this is definitely a slip up in X1 
 
John

Hi, John - I'm working in 8.5 today, so I've also just re-checked.  What I said was accurate - Select a click, it's highlighted in both TV and the PRV.  I didn't say anything about double clicking the highlighted clip.   I work with the PRV always open, tabbed view in 8.5, so there's no opening of PRV involved in my work flow since it's already open.  I routinely click in the white area of the PRV editing window if I've chosen a track that way.  But since my primary work is in the PRV, I more often use the menu there to select tracks to work on.

Randy B.

rbowser

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rbowser


It's always been like that, it's not new in X1.  You've selected a track, it's highlighted.  A simple click in an empty space de-selects all the notes.

Randy B.

Not in my 8.5.  I just rechecked.  Select midi clip (goes dark in track view).  Double click on the darkened clip, PRV opens with no notes selected.  Same behaviour whether the clip is selected or not.  No, this is definitely a slip up in X1 

John

Hi, John - I'm working in 8.5 today, so I've also just re-checked.  What I said was accurate - Select a click, it's highlighted in both TV and the PRV.  I didn't say anything about double clicking the highlighted clip.   I work with the PRV always open, tabbed view in 8.5, so there's no opening of PRV involved in my work flow since it's already open.  I routinely click in the white area of the PRV editing window if I've chosen a track that way.  But since my primary work is in the PRV, I more often use the menu there to select tracks to work on.

Randy B.

Ah, ok Randy, I follow how you're seeing this.
The behaviour that has changed for no good reason is when PRV is not already open.  In 8.5 you could open it by double clicking the MIDI clip/track and no notes are already selected (whether the clip or track was highlighted or not).  In X1 the same action opens the PRV with all notes selected which doesn't make senese.  Ok, another click in an open area deselects all notes but I find that sometimes the note colours are dark due to the colour scheme of the track and so there's no immediate visual clue that all notes are already selected and I end up doing something to all notes instead of one, then it's Ctrl-Z, etc.  It's no big deal, but I think the change must have been accidental and ought to be corrected.
 
John   

You can also avoid this in X1 if you do like I do, and have multiple PRV's docked in the multidock - all just a single click away from full screen access

If you accidentally move or delete your midi events, the next step would be to press CTRL-Z or the undo button.
I would prefer that no notes be selected upon entry to the PRV as well.  I almost always set the NOW time and press ALT+3 to enter the PRV, and the notes are all selected.
-Gregg

Oh I can think of a few reasons why you'd want all notes selected.

I don't say it's a totally common scenario, but I have used it from time to time.

1 - Changing the MIDI channel for every note
2 - Quantizing every note
3 - Transposing every note
4 - Using some of the dedicated MIDI functions like randomize velocity

That sort of thing.

Yes you can do this in the TV, but sometimes you want instant visual feedback/confirmation.

But to have them all selected as default? Nah, can't see the logic there.

Just to add another voice...

It's been happening to me in 8.5 as well... Very frustrating...

Scott's triple-click is simply the dbl-click opening the prv and the 3rd click is clicking "nowhere" so it deselects...

Tho there can be reasons to want this, I believe they are far less frequent than most other decisions here and this should not be happening.... I believe it's an "oversight" created by one of the other issues regarding selections...

Keni

I'm working in 8.5 again today, and can confirm, again,  that this select-all-notes action doesn't happen in that version.  When you click a clip in TV, that opens the PRV with the notes Not selected.  There are many cases where you Do want to select all notes, to do a transposition for instance, as was mentioned, but it's much more common for you to not want any notes selected.  You're in the PRV to edit individual notes and controller data.  When I record MIDI, I'm watching my playing in the PRV - very handy to jump right in to touch up a pass without messing around finding clips in the TV.

But what everyone's wanting on this thread is so alien to me since my work flow/methods are so different.  I don't suppose it's a solution for people who work differently, but all I can say is that what makes sense to me is that if you're working with MIDI in a project, it's logical to have the PRV open and ready throughout the whole project.  You can access anything you want to work on through the PRV's menu.  Works for me anyway.  I'd actually forgotten that the PRV can be opened by clicking a clip until it was brought up on this thread.


Conclusion - X1's programming is different and more clumsy than what existed before.  When opening the PRV by clicking a clip, the notes shouldn't be selected.  It has to be a mistake/over sight in X1's programming.  I wouldn't have noticed since I work differently, but I see and understand what people are talking about here.

Randy B.

I'd just like to point out that this only happens when double clicking the track to open the PRV. If you use Alt+3 and the track header to open the PRV it doesn't happen. Unless of course you click on the track number and select the clip(s) as well.

I use a CS to open the PRV and select tracks so I don't very often see it at all. Bristol_Jonesey's method is a good one as well with multiple PRVs open.

The problem isn't actually with the PRV opening it's with the way the tracks are selected now with the smart tool. If you selected a clip and opened a PRV you'd be surprised if the data wasn't all selected. What is needed is a way of clicking on the track that doesn't select it but does open the PRV, maybe a modifier that can be programmed either way.

Bristol_Jonesey


Oh I can think of a few reasons why you'd want all notes selected.

I don't say it's a totally common scenario, but I have used it from time to time.

1 - Changing the MIDI channel for every note
2 - Quantizing every note
3 - Transposing every note
4 - Using some of the dedicated MIDI functions like randomize velocity

That sort of thing.

Yes you can do this in the TV, but sometimes you want instant visual feedback/confirmation.

But to have them all selected as default? Nah, can't see the logic there.

But all those actions can easily be done from the TV Jonesy, ol pal.  And as to visual feedback...when I quantize a whole track in the TV is see the notes shift in the track gui.  Or I see that the midi channel has changed etc...  It certainly should never be the default setting when entering the PRV.

Right you are FBB.  Sorry if I confused anyone.  But I think it shouldn't be the default for any way of opening the PRV.  Just my opinion.