Hi DB...

I haven't read thru all this thread yet, but my immediate reaction?

If it was me I'd definitely open it and install it... The Items we are bringing to issue here are far smaller than the difference coming from Sonar 4... Tho I am still doing a lot of work in 8.5.3, I'm also doing a few a few ported over to X1 as well as a couple that I began in X1.

They're not likely to go backward tho I do hope they bring a little more of the past's benefits back into the new program.

Over all, it's still Sonar! Tho with more tools and power than ever before... Open it and enjoy it! (once you re-learn a few shortcuts and the likes)...

As to soundcard? I'm not sure what your needs or price range are, but you could easile by one (or more) Focusrite Saffire Pro 40's, Presonus FP10, MOTU, RME etc... all have variations of 8+ analog i/o and even ART is there with 8 tube pre's for less than any of the others! ;-)

They're all quite good tho the firewire issues can be a bit touchy, they can usually be solved... I believe the ART is only $399 while the Focusrite & Presonus are $499... I'm not sure about the other prices tho I think MOTU has something in the $499 range and RME is probably more expensive... ;-)

Music makes the world worthwhile!

Keni

Rothchild. Here is my problem: Your account has been banned until n/a. Reason: TOS Violation
If you believe this is a mistake, you can contact forum admin for more information.

I tried to contact admin, but email didint work. Like X1 JOKE, JOKE.
So I made a new account. New ban comming now???

My real user name is CarlosJones. Here are my sonar versions i have used (cakewalk pro audio 9 is missing)
Sorry i change my serials :)

04/01/2011
Dimension Pro 1.5
CWDMxxxxxxx
xxxx

04/01/2011
Guitar Rig 4 LE (incl w SONAR X1)
42562654dddfsf564654

04/01/2011
SONAR X1 Producer
CXSPsgasgwsdgaw
DB654651xxx

01/01/2011
SONAR X1 Producer

26/01/2010
MP3 Activation

21/10/2009
SONAR 8.5 Producer

03/03/2009
Dimension Pro

02/03/2009
SONAR 8 Producer

30/04/2008
SONAR 7 Producer

02/06/2007
SONAR 6 Web Trial

21/12/2005
SONAR 5 Producer

26/07/2005
SONAR 2 XL

01/06/2005
SONAR 4 Producer
 
I just wanted to share my personal feeling that Presonus Studio One is really good. X1 and old sonar versions are ok. There is 1-2 midi things (step recording) that are better than in Studio one, but there are 10-15 things better in S1.
I have produced about 20 full lenght cds, commersials for radio and tv etc. But i hope cakewalk fix all bugs + audio engine. Then X1 is good.

V-vocal has been only semi ok. It works only with small parts. Otherwise there is huge phase problems. Melodyne is for professionals. Audio snap...lot of bugs.

I'm only concerned about Windows 7 right now, not XP, but thanks.

jonsered, if your happy and getting work done with presonus S1! all is good man, I'm running 8.5.3 win xp 32bit and working on 4 album projects from paying customers.  I'm also running X1 and PT9 on win7 64 bit (work in progress) going 64bit!!!  you have to stick with what works for you. on my win 7 hard drive, X1 works pretty but I'm not totaly there yet because of work flow! however X1 64 bit just feels right. arty

DiBerriman: whats the make and model of the motherboard

whats the make and model of the video card

and the os you want to use win7 32 or 64.. il set you up
with correct drivers befor you install x-1 ..jon

Back to the OP, keep the box because there's so much more in X1 (as was eluded to earlier). You'll get all the new tools and the updates will come to fix the bugs that do exist. I'd say it's worth keeping unless you think you can get a better deal after the updates are out. I doubt it though. The sales and promotions were tough to beat before they released it.

The only thing I have to complain about at the moment is that effing metronome bug. Make it stop, please!

Rothchild


Apologies about the semi OT, semi hijack.

Carlos thanks for responding, I'll respond over here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2201543

Cheers,
Child

 
LMAO

I would hold on to X1 if it was me.  It's too good of a program to let pass you by. I wouldn't try to use it to record a band practice or anything time dependant.  It will be too new for you to get any real benifit from it. You'll have to use X1 for a couple months before you start to understand all its capible of.  I would deff. wait on X1B before I'd even try to install it.  It's going to be imo. one of the top three Daw's ever made.   I've learned that only using one DAW will limit you to one company's abilities.  I'm currently setting up a Protools/X1 combo to give me the best in audio and midi with the most flexibility and plugin options. people agree and disagree with my choice. but for me, until someone sells me on a better way, that's what's i'll be doin. heh   X1 shouldnt be at the top of the sonar list until it can better 8.5 imo. but it soon will be one of the best made.  X1 will be fixed within the next 2 patches. Hopefully the shelf life is longer than sonar has been or X1 would have been unuseable for half of its life. and surely CW knows they would see a mass exodus if they sold a product that was only useable for 6 months before they had to upgrade again.  So you should be pretty safe with X1.   plus the features (after you spend plenty time learning) you will find, will be hard to live without..    if you dont't want the box, send me your box and cd. heh All I got was a download,,  ;)  

Shoot the box and put it out of its misery.  NO - just set it aside for now without installing.  Look at the Forum once in awhile, keep in touch so you'll know when the for real, honest-to-goodness upgrades have rendered the contents of the box safe for consumption--and then install, step through the upgrades, and then, hopefully - enjoy.

RB

John


Some of the complaints on this forum are from posters that don't have it. Some of the complaints are from people that wont read the manual. Some of the complaints are from people that just want to stir up trouble.

There are a few outspoken posters that really have problems and have found bugs but if you eliminate those above from this group its really no different from all past first version releases.

Its really a question of either fish or cut bate. Jump in or go away.

Most of what you've said there is spot on John.
 
But I respectfully submit that this release is totally different to all previous releases - for me!
 
X1 had totally destabilised my entire machnie to the point where I couldn't even run 8.5.3 without constant crashing, so I rolled my system back to the point before X1 was installed and will stay here until X1B is released.
 
Personally, I'm totally gutted that it won't run - I WANT to be working with X1 day in day out.
 
This is the one release that brings my system to it's knees so, so easily.
 
 

Just keep the box and install it. But also keep 8.5....

You see - a hard rule in software and corporation land is not to jump ship too fast. If you going to make the transition to another and/or upgraded version of your mission critical software, it is a common practice to run some very intensive tests for a period of time. Most serous (and/or big) corporations most times test software for a period of half a year or even longer - and wait for a few patches, before it gets approved for mission critical systems. I encourage even small users that are dependent on software for their income to do the same.

Although I am using X1 full time now, I still keep 8.5 on a partition just for safety reasons. And I did exactly the same with 8.0 and earlier. Always keep the last good working version as a safety precaution.

Other than that I strongly encourage to take the jump to X1. Just do not jump blindly without "seatbelts"...

I've been running new sessions in X1 with no problems now. For projects I started in 8.5, i kept to finishing them in that daw but now I've gotten used to X1's workflow. w7x64 seems to be working fine for me. There's a bit of a transition and getting used to new key strokes but in all honesty its really not that bad. I like pressing T for the tool menu, being able to insert multiple envelopes in one go and running everything on one screen (screen sets are speeding me up a bit as well)

I'd like to see more complex quick/edit grouping but its a feature request i'll no doubt submit a couple of times this year anyway

I have used Cakewalk/Sonar from Pro Audio 9. With Presonus I can make music. With Sonar I was always thinking should i upgrade my computer. Do i have firewall on. What i am doing wrong. I think DAW/program can crash one time per week, but if it is one time or more every day...that´s too much. I just want to tell you...wait until they fix X1. It should work better. But if it works well only 50% of DAWs then...what is the problem. Could Cakewalk give us better specs. I think they fooled me. Even Audiofanzine review said that there is crashes under Win XP.

 
Can you install Studio One on a Win7 64 bit box with X1a without ay issues?

Thanks to everyone who responded.
 
I installed the Sapphire Pro 24, then the Sonar X1.  It took some doing (driver and software updates galore), but I got everything working now.
 
The program itself is overwhelming.  They make it look so smooth and easy on the videos.  "With the new Sonar Skylight, everything is at your fingertips...."  Yeah, if you knew where to look / how to use them.  This is not a complaint, just an observation.  There must be 300 features "at your fingertips" at any given moment in X1.  Nice to have them nearby, sure, but they are no clearer or easier to work with than anything else I've encountered. This will take a LOT of time for newbies such as myself to get anywhere near up to speed for even basic recording, arranging, production.  For example, I recorded a simple audio / midi track using the built-in Piano soft-synth and simply want to "export" this audio into an Mp3 track so that I could upload it to my website, or to Facebook.  How to do this?  Well, I'll have to figure that out yet.  I see a "burn to CD" option, but don't see a "create MP3" tab.   I know this is probably VERY quick and easy to do, but darned if I could find it.  And there is NO Owner's Manual to speak of within the BOX.  I paid extra for the box (rather than the download) because I wanted a comprehensive manual at my side.  BUT, it does NOT come with one.  It comes with one small "outline" / starter manual a few pages long, and one foldout with shortcuts.  So much for the "comprehensive" manual I had expected!
 
Now, having said all of that, I'll say this.  X1 hasn't crashed, clicked, gliched, frozen or ANYTHING of the sort.  Not once, which is a BIG relief.  It has been ROCK-SOLID.  I have found that I can even leave email and Internet windows open without any drag or effect on my Sonar project whatsoever.  It is stable and the sound coming from the Saffire Pro is sweetness.  The "True Piano" is incredible. 
 
It's just a bit of a shame to me that technology is so damned complicated these days that making music / getting creative tends to take a backseat to fiddling with knobs, buttons, sliders, parameters, tools and dozens and dozens of other "features" in order to get what you want.  What happened to the days when a band would show up at a studio, and 10 hours later would have a complete album, mixed and ready for print?