Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle & iLok2

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2015/04/17 01:52:30 (permalink)

Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle & iLok2

Hi Guys,
 
Anyone using the Softube Mix Bundle willing to share opinions?
 
I quite fancy additional HQ modules for the ProChannel but price is a bit steep in Cake store.
 
Any way to demo?
Are there discounts on components or bundle occasionally?
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 03:17:00 (permalink)
    I will post a little more when home, but the short answer is. that I do like it, and it does occasionally go on sale, but not often.

    I will post my thoughts on the individual modules when I get to a proper keyboard.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 06:17:48 (permalink)
    They provide a demo so why not give them a try.

    I got the Mix Bundle when the ProChannel was new and the notion of having regular plugins in the PC was new.

    Mix Bundel came on the heels of the Saturation knob which was a PC freebie. What I thought was going to be a continuing relationship with Softube didn't turn out that way and Mix bundle was the beginning and end of it.
    There are lots of great plugins that do what the Mix Bundle does but the fact that it's available in the ProChannel is its biggest advantage, if you would like to use only PC modules.
    Softube has a great reputation and it's well earned. Remeber though that what I think is a great plugin may not be what you think. That's one of the reasons I've kept away from anything too specific.
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 07:56:35 (permalink)
    FYI they do not need a dongle any more.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 08:09:44 (permalink)
    The FET compressor is very nice - many seem to prefer it to the PC76.  I used it a lot at first (you could date my projects by which new plugins I had bought at the time ), but now seem to fall back on the PC76 more.  This may be out of habit, though.
     
    The EQs are great - I still use the QuadCurve most of the time, but do use the Passive or Active EQs if I can't dial in the sound I want.
     
    Having more than one EQ in the ProChannel is fantastic - e.g. being able to EQ before and after a compressor.
     
    The Focusing EQ can be handy to dial in a track quickly.
     
    The TSAR-1R reverb sound really nice, and simple to use, but I still seem to use Breverb (and now Rematrix)  more.
     
    I also find that I use the vst versions a lot, as some of them have more options than the PC modules.  They have some good presets, too, if you want some good starting points.
     
    All in all, I like and use them all.  I am not sure if I would have paid full price, but that may be as I have a young family and a wife who reads the credit card bill.  
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 09:17:06 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks for the feedback.
     
    I should indeed demo the plugs but demo only works via iLok (according to softtube site) which I don't have (had no need so far).
     
    jb101
    FYI they do not need a dongle any more.


    Interesting ... ProChannel modules or the entire mix bundle (VST3?) ...??P

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 09:22:21 (permalink)
    Im really pleased with them. The FET compressor is so good and takes very little effort to get a great sound. The TSAR reverb sounds top notch on acoustic guitars. I have played a little with the eqs but I find it hard to stray from the prochannel eq because thats great for me.
     
    I was backwards and forwards between having the cakewalk bundle and softubes. I havent been disappointed yet, but next birthday I might jump at the cakewalk bundle. I used the demo CA2A compressor on Craig's tutorial and I was amazed at the punch. 
     
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 09:57:28 (permalink)
    I have the bundle and use its various pieces quite often. The TSAR reverb is quite good and easy to use. I like the Focusing EQ quite a bit. The FET compressor really has character.

    I would normally recommend if you get the Softtube Mix Bundle that you also get this tutorial from Groove 3:
    http://www.groove3.com/str/mixing-with-sonar.html

    It's called Mixing With Sonar. It's a great tutorial on mixing techniques using Sonar X1. The majority of that tutorial content still is relevant even using Sonar Platinum. That tutorial happens to use the Softtube Mix Bundle a lot throughout the tutorial chapters and provides great demos and tutorials on how to use each of the bundle's tools. The reason I'm not underlining why you should get that tutorial today is that it is presently sold at full price, or $30. It has been available for much less at various times over the last year. If you have the annual pass I'd suggest watching it.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 10:29:42 (permalink)
    FreeFlyBertl
    Hey, thanks for the feedback.
     
    I should indeed demo the plugs but demo only works via iLok (according to softtube site) which I don't have (had no need so far).
     
    jb101
    FYI they do not need a dongle any more.


    Interesting ... ProChannel modules or the entire mix bundle (VST3?) ...??P




    The entire mix bundle.  You still need to sign into an ilock account, but don't need a dongle.  I would not have bought it if it needed a dongle.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 10:44:32 (permalink)
    The softube bundle is excellent and both the EQs and Fet com give a different flavor to the Cake PC stuff.  The reverb was the cat's meow, as far as I was concerned.  But as much as I like it, it is kind of redundant these days with Nomad and overloud's stuff.  I like Overloud's reverbs as well as TSAR.  The FET is a little more 1176 than the PC unit, but not hardware.  The focusing EQ I use a lot - easy to find quality sound and I use it to distinguish vocals as opposed to all the PC EQ elsewhere.  And the Passive EQs do sound and react slightly different than anything Cake offers.
     
    All that being said, it is worthwhile if you get it on sale.  Otherwise, there are things on sale through Cake that are more useful.  REmatrix (the full version) is killer.  You won't really get a better reverb unless you spend a lot more money on hardware.  That is where I'd put my money.  You'll hear that more than slightly different digital EQs.
     
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/17 21:05:58 (permalink)
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    REmatrix (the full version) is killer.  You won't really get a better reverb unless you spend a lot more money on hardware.  That is where I'd put my money.  You'll hear that more than slightly different digital EQs.


    I agree with everything you say in your post especially what I'm quoting from you.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/18 04:00:36 (permalink)
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    REmatrix (the full version) is killer.  You won't really get a better reverb unless you spend a lot more money on hardware.  That is where I'd put my money.  You'll hear that more than slightly different digital EQs.


    I agree with everything you say in your post especially what I'm quoting from you.



    Once more, thanks for the feedback I really appreciate it!
     
    I meanwhile had a look at REmatrix (which for no obvious reason I had never properly looked at) and it looks indeed killer. I used IR reverbs a lot on recent productions and suffered from exactly what they advertise: IR either fits or doesn't but you can't do much to adjust it apart from time, EQ and blending (which required use of a large number of buses that with REmatrix all would be hosted inside a plugin with saveable presets) ...
     
    So I think REmatrix will make it onto the demo list and possibly the shopping list. I usually upgrade my system (apart from Sonar batches) only about once a year. During the year I stay away from installing demos and buying plugins - basically anything that could compromise the system ... now is the time to check-out a few new tools. I also got the new Rapture Pro on the radar and I already added BOZ 10dB (which I like a lot and probably makes the softtube bundle redundant anyway) ...
     
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    Digital delivery solved that problem for me one of positive aspects that everything is download only these days ...

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/25 03:21:10 (permalink)
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    They provide a demo so why not give them a try.

    Don't forget you'll need an iLok.



    I'd like to demo but for demoing you still need iLok (especially as I would want to try the bigger brother of the reverb TSAR-1) ... and I haven't got one yet ...
     
    Question #1: How bad is the iLok situation these days??   if you google iLok, you basically enter the gates of hell if you believe what people write about iLok2 ... and I'm not sure if I should make my life more difficult than necessary ... however, I could also demo the Lexicon PCM Reverb at the same time ...
     
    Question #2: I found the softube plugs a lot cheaper at European retailers (packaged versions), but would I get access to the Prochannel versions if I don't buy @ Cakewalk store??  Are ProChannel versions included in the larger Softtube Studio Collection bundle?? I'm asking here because softube website does not give any inforamtion and if I contact the retailer they probably won't know ...
     
     
     

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/25 03:50:16 (permalink)
    Have a look at iLok site and their FAQ and make some conclusions like:
    a) how they start charging for this and that - licenses between accounts, ZDT etc.
    They are a business of their own - if they get away with a new charge policy that is what you get.
    Having plenty money on iLok licenses - who has the Aces?
     
    b) vendor go in and fiddle with your licenses
    Steinberg Syncrosoft at least, keep those things separately. You work with your license codes yourself, Steinberg does not mess with your account.
    Demoing iLok stuff - vendor goes into your account adding license for that - at least what Avid is doing.
     
    c) updating iLok software - and suddenly you account lost licenses. Well, they have a FAQ how to recover - but still - really makes me wonder.
     
    d) new subscription policies also create new habits for you - be online with your daw from time to time - or your software may stop working. Thinking the new rental models of Avid to mention one - within four days after monthly expire you need to resync licenses.
     
    So far stayed away from anything iLok....it probably works, but don't fancy the policies built into it and how you become a customer to a company that you never bought a product from, in the normal sense. Just a consequence from buying a iLok based product.
     
    But Softube anything, is probably really good after what I read everywhere - good stuff.
    Ask Softube how their products are generally bundled with PC versions or not.
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/25 05:11:47 (permalink)
    I've had iLok and now iLok 2. If given a choice I prefer iLok over Challenge Response security.

    It's easy to take with me from studio to mobile. It works fine off a hub so the excuse about breaking it in USB port is done with. I don't know what the argument about cost is. Apart from the dongle itself I don't pay anything. There's only a cost if transferring a licence.

    There is an iLok licence manager installed on your machine that gives you an inventory of your licences and makes it easy if you want or need to transfer licences to another iLok.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/25 08:57:34 (permalink)
    I had to buy into iLok in order to run EWQLSO under their Play engine.
     
    Since then, it's been plugged into the back of my machine and I forget it's even there.

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/25 10:10:00 (permalink)
    I have a bunch of stuff on iLok 2 and it's been fine for me. Softube is great, but honestly these plugins are starting to get old. It doesn't mean they're bad, but analog emulation has made some hefty strides in the past two years. The MKII UAD and the latest Slate offerings are much more convincing to my ears. If you want the latest Softube plugins, look into the latest Native Instruments compressors and EQs. All done by Softube and I think better offerings than their older mix bundle. Just another opinion before you spend your hard earned cash. I personally would look at Slate VMR... You can get it with a free iLok2 for $179.
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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/26 09:42:27 (permalink)
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    If you want the latest Softube plugins, look into the latest Native Instruments compressors and EQs. All done by Softube and I think better offerings than their older mix bundle.



    Thanks, Benjamin, for the tip about NI ... didn't know about that :-)

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    Re: Opinions on Softube Mix Bundle 2015/04/26 11:45:04 (permalink)
    I had to use iLok back in the days when it was equivalent to willfully installing a virus. I had horrible experiences with it I won't detail here but the last straw was having to reformat my C drive for something that could incontrovertibly be traced to the iLok.
     
    A few years later I had to use iLok to do some reviews. iLok2 has not given me any issues at all, although you do need to check periodically for updates to their software. However, I think Waves got it right with their new licensing scheme, which is similar to iLok but more user-friendly and flexible.

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