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Optimum Touch Screen Placement
Instead of hijacking a thread about a different topic which has de-evolved in accordance with Godwin's Law, I'm starting a new thread. John
Not to add fuel to the fire but touch can use right click. To right click using touch you tap with two fingers. I use touch a lot but only on my tablet. It also makes sense to have touch with a small light weight tablet. Not so much with vertical monitors just out of reach.
What works for me with touch and SONAR is two monitors. The touch one is at about a 20 degree angle off my physical desktop, within easy reach - not unlike how a physical mixer would be angled. The non-touch one is positioned like a standard, vertical monitor. The touch display is more for "doing things," the standard monitor for "displaying things." The mouse and QWERTY keyboard are wireless. With this setup, I'm often using two hands - e.g., one hand on the touch monitor for "big" gestures, and one on the mouse for fine-tuning. This alone speeds up workflow compared to doing everything with the mouse. I'm still refining the setup, but the above is an improvement over the pre-touch workflow. The reason why I started this thread is to emphasize that at least for me, it makes more sense to think of a touch screen as a control surface instead of a monitor, and to encourage anyone who uses touch to share ideas on how they use it most efficiently.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/16 23:35:05
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That sounds like a good setup Craig. With me I have a Mackie Control in the position of your touch monitor. I'm sure you have more control but I do like the MC.
I do believe touch is an important development.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 04:09:06
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Andertonit makes more sense to think of a touch screen as a control surface instead of a monitor
i think this is the key thing here
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 13:10:22
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Just like I used to have my set up. Now I just put everything on the touch screen sloped like a mixer in front of me since analog hardware occupies the old space where I had my "display" monitor.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 13:29:10
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OK, this interests me greatly. What screen size and # pixels are any of you using? What touch technology do you favor?
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 13:30:53
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Also, some of the touch screens have no USB port. How does the PC know when you've touch the screen?
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 13:31:10
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Now that Apple has developed a pressure sensitive touch screen, I think the touch market will expand a lot. Right now the tech is only on phones, but the combination of touch gestures with pressure sensitivity opens up a world of options for musicians.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 15:09:48
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isn't it quite exhausting though, holding your arm up to the screen every few seconds to change parameters ?
I have a control surface but it lays flat. im only guessing here so my opinion is half baked but ive always been drawn away from touch for that very reason, having your arm suspended in mid air verse laying down/resting on a desk is a big difference.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 15:23:29
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Hi,
I checked a small touch monitor, because my goal is to reduce the needed space as much as possible. A controller is way to big or much to limitating. Just one fader is not helpful, but even 8 ones are no fun, if you want to leveling channels 2 and 12 at the same time...
I use a small touch monitor (15 inch). That is enough for the Mixer of sonar. It is not the main display, just for the mixer. From my experience, the display has to be anti-glare, otherwise it is apita.
My question is: What kind of display hold are you using? I had the problem that my one is wobbling at lower degrees...
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 15:33:57
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Anderton
The reason why I started this thread is to emphasize that at least for me, it makes more sense to think of a touch screen as a control surface instead of a monitor, and to encourage anyone who uses touch to share ideas on how they use it most efficiently.
This, absolutely. My setup is two non-touch ordinary screens set up vertically at normal viewing distance, plus an ipad set up close to me and lying nearly flat that acts as a control surface, and I use a touchpad rather than a mouse. Were I to add a full touchscreen it would go where I'd have put an analogue mixer. Digital consoles that are touch-screen based mostly put the screens where an older console would have had real knobs, buttons and faders. Any other arrangement is a recipe for aching arms and shoulders. A big vertical touchscreen might look hi-tech in sci-fi films but in the real world it would be horrible to use for any length of time.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/17 18:28:55
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I originally had 2 touch screens and abandoned ONE just for the reason Craig mentioned. The touch screen I do use though might be considered a bit large (27 inch) but it makes targeting the touch easier for me. The smaller screen was sometimes tough to HIT the PARM I wanted to adjust.
I never thought about moving the touch screen off my work space though and this does sound like a good idea. Perhaps another under desktop roll out contraption like I use for my KB and MOUSE only bigger?
Thanks for the idea,
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/18 10:29:16
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I'm always hesitating between buying a tablet and a touch monitor. The best would be, I guess, to have a windows 10 tablet connected to the main daw using some kind of remote desktop that still allows local access tothe main daw's session. (I still have to check out Lemur, though...)
And.... i am daydreaming about augmented-reality-based control solutions... ;-). Would be hell i guess when trying to fine-tune a parameter
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/19 08:51:41
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Yummay,
I have used MS remote desktop with both a surface and a laptop to control my DAW from another room. The surface has a nice touch screen (as do a ton of laptops now). Problem with this, your DAW is either controlled locally or remotely, not both at the same time. Hence why the touch monitor solves this problem for me.
I went TOUCH right after SONAR provided specific support for TOUCH. I saw the SLATE MIXING desk (thousands of dollars) and was intrigued. So, I put the CONSOLE view on touch and get the same functionality at a fraction of the cost (my ASUS 27 inch TOUCH monitor was under $500). Works great for me and I like the idea of laying it almost flat and as Craig suggested, off to the side and not on my main work service.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/19 09:39:57
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Craig, please show a picture of your setup.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/19 10:34:54
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My touch screen is on an adjustable stand. It's my only screen.
I can fold it down or not. I can use it alone or share it with a friend on the other side of the table.
Sometimes, a friend and I will each have our own instance of TH3. I have a FCB1010 to go with it.
I tend to use touch when recording (because touch is silent ... no clicking or key presses. My keyboard, mouse and Alpha Track are not silent.
I use touch hen practicing. I often sit back though and use the keyboard and mouse and don't touch the monitor at all.
Really, since I cannot use touch to work with envelopes, touch has limited uses in Sonar. I don't record automation often.
I do use touch when working with RME's TotalMix.
Thanks for asking.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/19 12:38:39
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/06/27 10:34:26
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isn't it quite exhausting though, holding your arm up to the screen every few seconds to change parameters ?
I have a control surface but it lays flat. im only guessing here so my opinion is half baked but ive always been drawn away from touch for that very reason, having your arm suspended in mid air verse laying down/resting on a desk is a big difference.
For me, the touchscreen replaces where (and how) a mixer would be placed - at a comfortable angle. I left room on the desk to rest my elbow, if need be. This also has to do with the wobble question above - well-built touchscreens spend a lot of money on the stand. My all-in-one will go from vertical to horizontal and is stable. but I use the mouse a lot, and the keyboard. The touchscreen isn't the answer to the question of control, but simply another method of control. My main unit, a desktop unit, is Win 7 so you can't easily move around the timeline and pinch and expand (works fine on Win 10), but I use it for other pointing tasks etc. And for fine control I still use the mouse, and the physical keyboard for lettering and # entry. Depending upon your screen size (I found 27 inches the minimum for serious touch work), techniques and ergonomics you will find uses for it. And it is really nice for many synths and FX control and is more immediate than putzing around with a mouse.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/27 10:01:10
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This is how I imagined using Sonar with a touch surface. I'm in the market for a touch screen and thinking of doing some kind of large LED with a PQ labs overlay..still doing research. But, whatever I choose, I think using the same angle as my mashine studio(legs down) should work very well.
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/27 10:16:18
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chuckebaby
isn't it quite exhausting though, holding your arm up to the screen every few seconds to change parameters ?
I have a control surface but it lays flat. im only guessing here so my opinion is half baked but ive always been drawn away from touch for that very reason, having your arm suspended in mid air verse laying down/resting on a desk is a big difference.
For me, the touchscreen replaces where (and how) a mixer would be placed - at a comfortable angle. I left room on the desk to rest my elbow, if need be. This also has to do with the wobble question above - well-built touchscreens spend a lot of money on the stand. My all-in-one will go from vertical to horizontal and is stable.
but I use the mouse a lot, and the keyboard. The touchscreen isn't the answer to the question of control, but simply another method of control. My main unit, a desktop unit, is Win 7 so you can't easily move around the timeline and pinch and expand (works fine on Win 10), but I use it for other pointing tasks etc. And for fine control I still use the mouse, and the physical keyboard for lettering and # entry. Depending upon your screen size (I found 27 inches the minimum for serious touch work), techniques and ergonomics you will find uses for it. And it is really nice for many synths and FX control and is more immediate than putzing around with a mouse.
this was just the kind of response I was looking for. thank you. using it this way makes a lot of sense. I use a Mackie control and I find having the hands on thing is so much better. but like you..I also use a mouse and even with a control surface, I find a mouse is almost 100% necessary. I mean im sure I could find a way to avoid a mouse, just like you could on a touch screen, but like me, im guessing you find those small increments need attention to detail which can only be accomplished using a mouse. Thanks again AT
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Re: Optimum Touch Screen Placement
2016/06/27 11:39:20
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I'm using my touch monitor much like Craig is using his. However, I still haven't found much use for it. I have an Acer 23" and there's just not enough real-estate. Stuff like muting and solo are good. Actually, doing work in Melodyne isn't so bad. It's still a real-estate issue.
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