Orphaned Envelopes...EVERYWHERE!

Howdy!

I'm having a bit of a frustrating thing happen.

At least once a day, I'll "lose" automation envelopes on a track - usually a soft-synth instrument track. Here's what I mean by lose:

I can still see the envelope, but it's turned black. I shift-click on it with the smart tool, and instead of activating THAT envelope, it creates a new envelope (usually a track-length "jump" at 50%) and marks it "orphaned."

Going through the Edit Filter dropdown doesn't work. It doesn't show that any envelopes exist.

As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way to interact with this "ghost" envelope. It's forgotten what it's supposed to be controlling, but there's no way to remind it. I can't even delete it, since trying to select it always results in a new orphaned envelope.

At the moment, my only fix has been to recreate the envelope, tracing the previous one and leaving it at that. That's extremely annoying, especially on tracks with a lot of automation.

I haven't found a reliable way to recreate this. It just happens. I've only noticed it when opening a file - I haven't seen a clear example of it happening while a file was being worked on.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas? Thanks!

SYSTEM INFO:
- SONAR X1 Producer (X1d build 533) x64
- Windows 7 Ultimate with SP1 x64
- Intel Core 2 2.4GHz
- 8 GB RAM

Are you using the Edit Filter to access an envelope? If you are trying to edit an envelope the same you did in 8 you will have a hard time. Ues the Edit Filter to select which envelope you want to edit. All the others will stay ghosted. This is intended.

In 8.5, I just right-click on the envelope and re-assign it. Can you no longer do that in X1?

hiberna


John

As I mentioned, Edit Filter doesn't work. It doesn't show any existing envelopes available for editing.

I'm familiar with how envelopes work in Sonar X1 - I'm not new to it.

Could show a screen shot of the orphaned envelops. 

What if you open project in 8.5 and try to activate those orphaned envelopes?

If it's more than one project, it would seem unlikely to be a corrupt project file. If it were, you could save the entire project as a new project and probably cure the problem.

More likely, it's a particular synth that's not initializing when you open the project. SONAR thinks it's not there anymore and the envelopes' links to it are no longer valid. Hence the orphaned envelopes. Maybe you're using a demo version of some synth, or one that's not installed properly?

Since you don't have 8.5 on that system you can still delete any in X1.

I think I had something similar happening to me recently. In my situation, I had an effect plugin with automation that I decided I didn't need. When I deleted the plugin from the effects bin, the envelope stuck around and I had behavior similar to what you're describing (though it's been awhile and I can't recall if it was exactly the same issue). Fortunately, it was just the one envelope, so I was able to recall which plugin I used: re-inserting and enabling the plugin let me have access to the envelope normally again, so I deleted it and then got rid of the effect and the problem was gone. Hope that helps you a little bit.

There will be a demo soon...

In the "read me" for X3d, in the section on Backwards Compatibility there's mention of a problem with disappearing envelopes when opening an X-series project in a pre-X-series version. I was going to suggest opening in the version that created the file, selecting "show all envelopes," re-saving under a different name, and seeing what happened...

mcanicos
i have the same problema and is not fixed in the X3d update.

Is it fixed in new projects?
Just some random comment -  try creating a bundle file, closing Sonar, opening it, saving it as a project again (worth a go anyway).
If not try creating a new project and copying/pasting everything into it.
 
Cheers
 
Alex