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2015/12/06 16:55:56 (permalink)

Ozone 7 & VSTs

I want to use various plugins in O7 Standalone.
 
By default O7 scanned c:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vst Plugins, which did pickup some plugins, but not all and none of the Waves or Melda Production stuff I have.
 
I looked at the VST Scan folders I have in Sonar and added those same paths to the settings in O7, but that didn't work.
 
Am I looking for the folders with the .dll files in them?
 
Any suggestions?  Thanks.
post edited by olemon - 2015/12/07 11:00:28

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/06 21:36:46 (permalink)
I think you need to point the scanner in the direction of Program Files (x86) , as opposed to Program files (no 86). They should be in there and be picked up by the scanner. 
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/06 22:32:24 (permalink)
Just look in Sonar Preferences/VST and see which paths are being scanned for logins and use them in Ozone.

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/06 22:41:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2015/12/07 06:29:59
Waves plugins will not work in ozone 7 with a PC because of the shell waves uses. I have my reply from tech support that I will paste for you when I get a chance. They will work if you are using a mac. This is why I'm staying with OZ 5. It was a deal breaker for me.
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 01:32:12 (permalink)
At the top of this section of the forum is a section called Utilities for Sonar (or something like that).
 
Go to that section, and scroll way to the bottom.  You'll see a tool called VST Inventory.
 
Run that.  It will show you where everything is.  It's pretty helpful!
 
Our friend Bitflipper put that together for us to use.

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 02:02:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2015/12/07 06:30:50
You can get Waves plugins into iZotope apps (RX/Ozone) if you use a VST Chainer plugin that supports VST Shell plugins (I think Blue Cat's PatchWork will do it http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_PatchWork/ ) or if you have ninja skills you might be able to get shell2vst configured and working.  I went the shell2vst route, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it.
 
http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/ under "More Downloads" http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/shell2vst.zip
 
Your missing Melda plugins might be if you only installed the vst3 versions, I'm not sure iZotope does vst3 either.  Need to install the vst2 versions and match the 32/64-bitness of the iZotope app you are running.

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 06:15:00 (permalink)
O7 picked up some Cakewalk plugins like the CA-2A, the IK Multimedia stuff, the Nomad Factory BT's, the Blue Cat free pack, as well as some other freebies like the Slick EQ from TDR.  Based on that and your input, it appears O7 doesn't play well with Waves and VST3's.
 
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 09:40:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2015/12/07 10:43:29
mudgel gave the best answer. Just open the Cakewalk Plugin Manager and note the search paths it's configured for. Duplicate those in Ozone (click Options and go to the Plug-in tab to add additional folders). Any plugins that don't show up on Ozone's "Plug-ins" tab after rescanning are going to be those that Ozone has rejected for some reason. 
 
The documentation only says that "Ozone 7 supports VST and AudioUnit (AU) plug-in formats". But if you go to the iZotope support pages, there is a compatibility list that explicitly excludes Waves and UAD plugins as incompatible. It doesn't mention VST3.
 
Curiously, it also excluded my Meldaproduction products here. Don't know why.
 
Also note that O7 will also exclude plugins that are locked to a specific host, such as ProChannel as well as any plugins you have that are restricted to other DAWs.
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 10:46:43 (permalink)
Thanks for the information.
 
I tried all of the plugin folder paths and tested the plugins that O7 did find.  (Some of those are proprietary and only work within Sonar as expected.)
 
And here I was hoping to be able to use O7 like the T-RackS suite, but with my plugins of choice.  Had I known, had I read the fine print, I probably would not have gone for that O6/O7 deal, since I moved away from O5 as a mastering option.
 
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 10:58:19 (permalink)
I had mixed feelings about the standalone application. At first I was excited about it but as I built up a practice project out of random wave files I gradually realized that my old process of mastering within a separate SONAR project gave me greater flexibility.
 
So it's back to using Ozone only as a hosted plugin. Very, very satisfied with it in that context. (I, too, had been moving away from Ozone for the past few years.)


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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 11:08:46 (permalink)
On the Melda thing, the documentation on Ozone says it only scans one folder level deep on the VST scan.  So it does the folder you enter and it's children, but not their children.  My Melda plugins are two levels deep, MeldaProduction\Tools MeldaProduction\Stereo etc.  I think if you want those in Ozone you'd need to add the MeldaProduction folder to the Ozone scan list. 
 
Update: I added the MeldaProduction folder to my Ozone 7 VST paths and on a rescan it did pick them up and they seem to work.  Though to be honest I hadn't actually noticed they weren't in the list before, I think I may have too many plugins.
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 11:34:05 (permalink)
This is from iZotope Customer Care
"Thank you for reaching out! Unfortunately WAVES plugins are not supported for use with Ozone 7. I apologize for any inconvenience here. This is due to the limitations of Waves Waveshell with our software."
 
If you see this video https://youtu.be/Lp1RG-vZtGA  You will see in the comments section:
"I am using Mac, which means I can install "AU" versions of the plug-ins. Ozone 6 will recognize the Waves plug-ins if you have installed these versions."
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 11:38:08 (permalink)
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O7 picked up some Cakewalk plugins like the CA-2A, the IK Multimedia stuff, the Nomad Factory BT's, the Blue Cat free pack, as well as some other freebies like the Slick EQ from TDR.  Based on that and your input, it appears O7 doesn't play well with Waves and VST3's.
 
Dang-nabbit.


OZ 7 pickups some Cakewalk plugs but it will give you an error message if you try to use them.  I saw this with Nomad.  They are tied to Sonar.

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 11:43:29 (permalink)
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And here I was hoping to be able to use O7 like the T-RackS suite, but with my plugins of choice.  Had I known, had I read the fine print, I probably would not have gone for that O6/O7 deal, since I moved away from O5 as a mastering option.
 
Hopefully this thread will help someone avoid the same erroneous thinking.


I know, an absolute disappointment in Ozone 6, and then again in Ozone 7.  Like I said, a deal breaker.
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 12:17:38 (permalink)
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On the Melda thing, the documentation on Ozone says it only scans one folder level deep on the VST scan.  



Thanks, I'd missed that.
 
Unfortunately, that didn't seem to help me out. My favorite Melda mastering plugins are in c:\program files\cakewalk\vstplugins\Meldaproduction\EQ, but adding it to the folder list didn't make them show up. 
 
Oddly, it does find my FabFilter stuff even though it's not even under vstplugins (\program files\cakewalk\fabfilter) and not explicitly included in the folder list. Same for the other iZotope plugins, they're not under vstplugins, either but O7 found them. At first I though it was smart enough to scan horizontally, but then it didn't find my ValhallaDSP plugins, which also aren't under vstplugins. Can't seem to figure out the pattern of why it gets some and not others.
 
[EDIT]
My mistake. The Melda and ValhallaDSP stuff is there now, lumped under the "Unknown" category along with Boost11, Z3ta+ and Zebrify. 
 
BTW, you can actually insert another instance of Ozone 7 within Ozone 7 standalone. Now I can get REALLY loud masters!
 
J/K, but it is cool that you can have multiple Dynamics modules in one instance by inserting the standalone version as if it were a "third-party" plugin. Too bad you can't do that with the plugin version of Ozone. As it is, you can only have one instance of each module.
 
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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/07 12:37:56 (permalink)
Yeah all the Melda stuff is in Unknown.  I think it's pulling that category from some internal VST field.  All my shell2vst Waves plugins end up getting their own folders in Ozone 7.  So I have a folder called "C1" with the Waves C1 plugins (stereo/mono/sidechain/etc).  And so on.  But tons of my plugins are stuffed into Unknown.
 

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Re: Ozone 7 & Scanning for VSTs 2015/12/08 10:49:20 (permalink)
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I had mixed feelings about the standalone application. At first I was excited about it but as I built up a practice project out of random wave files I gradually realized that my old process of mastering within a separate SONAR project gave me greater flexibility.
 
So it's back to using Ozone only as a hosted plugin. Very, very satisfied with it in that context. (I, too, had been moving away from Ozone for the past few years.)


+1 And you can use your existing plugins in your DAW Mastering Chain. I also have Ozone 7 Advance, and the standalone is good for a quick or rough mastering project (my opinion), but the limitations of the number of modules that can be used in one project, led me back to mastering in my DAW. Definitely did not take away the value or confidence in the purchase of Ozone 7. And no limitations when Mastering in DAW. Great bang for the buck and well worth it, once you figure out an acceptable workflow (matter of personal preference of course).
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