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2015/11/05 05:12:37 (permalink)

Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS

I used Ozone 4 in the past but moved over to T-RackS a few years ago - more to do with cost at the time than anything else. After reading poor reviews for Ozone 6, I stuck with T-RackS but now see Ozone 7 is out. Any thoughts on the new version? I'm happy with T-RackS but always on the lookout for improvements - as long as the improvements outweigh the costs.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 06:06:53 (permalink)
Ozone 7 Advanced is a very good piece of gear, Ozone 6 wasn't as bad as they make out, mainly people were upset with the removal, and apparent removal of certain things like the reverb and presets and such, with the presets there were plenty of presets available, a lot seemed to not be aware of how to them, and what started at the beginning just seemed to flow on in ignorance of the actual reality. Also a lot seemed to get disgruntled that certain options/modules were Advanced only. Wasn't so much the quality of what could be achieved, Ozone 6 Advanced was another fine piece of gear.
 
I own all the T-Racks stuff, and way back I did some comparisons and most of the time it was Ozone 5 or 6 Advanced that came through for me as the better end result, using Alloy 2 and Nectar 2 production Suite in the mix as well. But then there were times that T-Racks would shine as well. The T-Racks Master EQ 432 is very very nice, and in it's place very hard to beat, the Stealth Limiter is also right up there. I very rarely use the T-Racks stuff now, apart from the Master EQ when it suits.
 
They are both very formidable pieces of software, I tend towards Ozone and Izotope products with a very generous helping of Waves Plugs and a number of very good and useful plugins from various other developers. The best thing to do is try them out for yourself, all our music is different, what works well for one will not necessarily be the best for another. And the bottom line is, if you can use the tools you have well, you will most likely get a better result than if you use tools you don't really have a grasp of even if they are 'supposedly' better. Try them out, and see which suits 'you' the best.
 
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 06:36:17 (permalink)
I don't know enough about Ozone 7 to compare it to the current TRackS.  But, when I was looking at a mastering suite, I download both Ozone 5 and TRackS demos.  Ozone 5 won and I bought it.  I upgraded to Ozone 6 but to be truthful I mainly use Ozone 5.  I've used Ozone 6 on occasion but Ozone 5, for my uses, is my "go to".

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 07:06:16 (permalink)
I have both TRacks and ozone 6 adv. TRacks will certainly cost a whole heap more unless you're able to get all the modules in group buys.

They both have their uses and one could easily be better than the other for different use cases. If I had to do some real fine surgical treatment I'd got for ozone for sure.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 10:36:59 (permalink)
A group buy was the "carrot" for me in the first place. I've bought other IK products the same way and got very used to how they operate. Maybe just sticking with what I know best will do me for now. I'm also still getting used to all the new stuff in the past few Sonar updates - just scratching the surface of it all is taking a fair amount of time.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 11:22:30 (permalink)
I don't think  TRacks is as intuitive. That said I have heard some killer mixes using only TRacks. As Mudgel has said, I believe that Ozone is easier to make surgical changes with. I presently have Ozone 4 through Ozone 6. I think there are users who rely heavily on the presets in Ozone which are very helpful for a new user or someone who doesn't know how to use all of the included plug-ins. One thing that Ozone does that I think throws some people off- They have a harmonic exciter at the end of many of their chains...people hear that and think wow! Almost anything run through some kind of harmonic exciter will sound a little sharper to the ear.
You could simply copy the chain layout with plugs in Sonar and get very close. A decent EQ, a good multiband compressor, a limiter and a harmonic exciter. And there are pre made mastering templates in Sonar Platinum. Ozone probably makes it easier to get there because you have all of those tools on one place and a fairly useful GUI. You can also build a mastering chain in Sonar and save it so it's there when you want it.
The demo is a free download I think. Give it a shot and see what you think.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 11:45:15 (permalink)
Ken, if you're getting good results with TRackS now, in all honesty Ozone is not going to make a big difference to you. I'd say the same thing if you were thinking of switching from Elephant or L2 or FabFilter or Sonnox or anything else of good quality. Mastering is 95% skill and 5% what tools you have to work with.
 
That said, given the current low price it might still be a worthwhile investment, to get some other features you may not already have. Depending on what's already in your toolkit, the Music Production Bundle could add a lot of new toys to play with. I'm really digging Alloy, which was a surprise because I don't normally use channel strips. 


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 14:50:59 (permalink)
I'm very happy with T-Racks (I have all of the plugins except the new limiter), but I usually just make my own effects chain in Sonar.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 19:38:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2015/11/07 17:36:42
I own both and use both.  I like both.  T-Racks is great for mastering.  Having said that, the standalone versions of Ozone 6 and 7 (advanced versions) allow you to put a 3rd party vst fx into Ozone's chain and move them anywhere in that chain; this includes adding any T-Racks module or even the entire T-Racks rack into Ozone.  This means (for example) that if you have a favorite couple of plugins in T-Racks, but prefer two or three of the components of Ozone, you can load up Ozone 6/7 Standalone, but add your T-Racks into Ozone and use BOTH.  I realize this can get weird or over-the-top, but the options are there.
 
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/05 19:43:01 (permalink)
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/07 07:36:24 (permalink)
Thanks for all the comments - especially the mention about the exciter. I think I will hold on to what I have at the moment and try out the Waves Aphex Vintage Aural Exciter. The great thing is that Waves seem to be having a rolling reduction programme so if it's  what I want, I can wait for it coming round again (I'm another canny Scot looking for a bargain!)

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/07 11:10:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2015/11/07 17:42:34
Have to say that iZotope did a wonderful thing with Ozone7 advanced.
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/11 03:10:01 (permalink)
Download the Ozone 7 Demo - see what it can do for you. I started on Ozone 6 after using Sony Soundforge (with included Izotope plugins) for many years, but since Ozone, well... it's just not gonna be the same ever again :O)

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/11 14:36:42 (permalink)
Heads up! Today is the last day ( Nov 11th) to upgrade on  Ozone 7 Advanced if you're already an Ozone user and get a sale price. I thinks it's at around 250 clams for me...and darned it's tempting.  I know a sale will come around again...black Friday isn't far away, but still.... can't beat that price compared to the old price.

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/11 20:01:33 (permalink)
I've learned a lot hanging around here.  Spent a lot too:)
 
My first attempt to 'master' was with T-RackS Classic.  I think it was $79 on sale.  Those were the first third party plugins I bought.  Had I been more experienced I may have been able to get the sound and quality I was after, but after discussing it here and elsewhere on the web, I decided to go for Ozone 5.  Bam!  For a novice, the presets alone were fantastic.
 
Now, I've watched videos of Bobby Owsinski using T-RackS and I have no doubt a professional can get professional results, but Ozone was what I needed at the time.
 
Having said that, I've migrated away from Ozone 5 towards a plugin mastering chain that includes bus compressors, mastering eq's and maximizers from the usual vendors.  In part because it's fun to experiment and acquire new toys, and because I was having trouble getting the low-end right in Ozone.  My latest project using that chain is in the Song Forum.
 
Uh, having said that, the deal to get Ozone 6/7 Adv was just too tempting.  And with Ozone 7 Adv standalone, it's basically IK's functionality except that you can use other vst's in the mastering chain too.  I guess with IK adding plugins to their suite all the time like that Master EQ and the Stealth Limiter, perhaps it's just a matter of preference with neither being 'better' than the other?
 
 

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 09:31:51 (permalink)
Plus with O7 you can insert any number of third-party plugins right into Ozone and save your entire mastering chain as an Ozone preset.
 
At least, this is what I've been told - I haven't installed O7 yet, still waiting for a serial.


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 09:33:51 (permalink)
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Plus with O7 you can insert any number of third-party plugins right into Ozone and save your entire mastering chain as an Ozone preset.
 
At least, this is what I've been told - I haven't installed O7 yet, still waiting for a serial.



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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 09:35:16 (permalink)
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Plus with O7 you can insert any number of third-party plugins right into Ozone and save your entire mastering chain as an Ozone preset.
 
At least, this is what I've been told - I haven't installed O7 yet, still waiting for a serial.



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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 09:42:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/11/12 10:10:09
I have emailed iZotope Support, so I'm confident they'll help me sort it out. I think I can live without the vintage tape module for a while.


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 10:07:23 (permalink)
Well...I just need to stop coming here. It gets me into trouble every time. There's just too many carrots all dangling around. Dag Burnit Clarry! 
 
I knew I could do the same thing without Ozone 7 Advanced basically, but a few things tipped the scale. Dave's mention of the ability to demo different audio codecs is a great idea, especially if you can adjust it while the codec plays. Stand alone is another great plus. The ability to add other plug-ins is pure genius. 
It appears that Ozone 7 Advanced gives you a handful of other plug-ins to put into individual channels. I'm not sure if I'll use those or not, but I certainly might. I guess insight isn't included without buying it extra?

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 10:17:07 (permalink)
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Well...I just need to stop coming here. It gets me into trouble every time. There's just too many carrots all dangling around. Dag Burnit Clarry! 
 
I knew I could do the same thing without Ozone 7 Advanced basically, but a few things tipped the scale. Dave's mention of the ability to demo different audio codecs is a great idea, especially if you can adjust it while the codec plays. Stand alone is another great plus. The ability to add other plug-ins is pure genius. 
It appears that Ozone 7 Advanced gives you a handful of other plug-ins to put into individual channels. I'm not sure if I'll use those or not, but I certainly might. I guess insight isn't included without buying it extra?



Insight IS included...it gets registered with the same serial #


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 10:31:05 (permalink)
Yay...Thanks cclarry!

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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 10:34:57 (permalink)
Does anyone know if the Codec Preview module is a stand-alone module in advanced? That one module intrigues me, and my update price is WAY less than the Sonnox Pro Codec plugin.
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 10:41:46 (permalink)
Hmmmm everyplugin has the Sonnox for $180 which is cheaper than the upgrade to Advanced for me.
 
Still interested in hearing about the codec preview in Ozone...
 
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 12:59:18 (permalink)
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Plus with O7 you can insert any number of third-party plugins right into Ozone and save your entire mastering chain as an Ozone preset.
 
At least, this is what I've been told - I haven't installed O7 yet, still waiting for a serial.

Indeed you can...



That's the option I'm most excited about.  And I think you can use that new(?) O7 feature to A/B your Mix/Master at the same apparent volume (correct terminology?) to really hear if you're making improvements or not.
 
T-RackS has a similar option, and, according to the experts, excellent metering.  Perhaps the next version will allow vst plugins from other companies too.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 14:54:37 (permalink)
Sorry, it's not a separate plugin.
 
IMO it's the least-interesting feature in Ozone, though.


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 14:56:32 (permalink)
Thanks bit.
 
I have Ozone 4 and 5 and was trying to find a compelling reason to jump on the 7 Advanced upgrade. Thing is, other than the exciter which you've touted and I agree with, I use other products for pretty much everything that I used to do with Ozone...
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 15:09:27 (permalink)
The benefits I've identified so far, relative to Ozone 4, which I came from:
 
- Ozone 7's new IRC4 algorithm works great for the stuff I do (but eats CPU cycles for breakfast)
- The "crisp" model that favors sparkle over pumping and thumping
- The transient enhancer lets me do with Ozone what I'd previously only been able to do with Pro-L
- The exciter is more versatile, can be more subtle (although its Retro mode sounds very similar to Ozone 4's)
- The delay time in the Imager is now adjustable (in Advanced)
- Alloy 2 is the biggest surprise. I don't use channel strips but this one's really good and very CPU-friendly
 
Things I think will be useful, but not yet:
- Insight's volume measurement and automation output
- Trash
- Nectar
 
 


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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 15:21:10 (permalink)
Ah, you bought the suite! I am only eligible for Advanced.
 
Thanks for explaining this bit - the smart move for me is to ignore this temptation as I have great tools for everything that Ozone does. Upgrading my few Soundtoys products to the full 5 suite seems like a much better use of gear money.
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Re: Ozone 7 Vs T-RackS 2015/11/12 15:37:32 (permalink)
Tastes Great
Less Filling
 
James, you CAN have them both you know.
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