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PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
Can anybody think of a reason to have PC2A + ProChannel Concrete Limiter live together on the same channel when it comes to treating a signal?
Just use concrete limiter for drums and PC2A for vocals right now.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/02 19:04:17
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If what you mean is using a comp & a limiter on the same track it's not that unusual.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/02 19:05:29
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Ah the Tom Jones method...
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/02 20:38:47
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/02 21:06:55
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I keep reading interviews with the producer/ mix engineer heroes of todays mainstream pop music, and it seems that some of them use limiters at the track level througout a session. I dunno, it just seems wrong to me to clean every track of transients before they even make it to a buss, but it seems to work for them...
I usually keep turning tracks down, keeping an eye on the level of the busses, and only ever apply limiters (to the busses) at the last stages of a mix.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 07:25:20
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Modern producers don't know what a fader is so yes I don't doubt they use a limiter on every track.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 07:45:28
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John
Modern producers don't know what a fader is so yes I don't doubt they use a limiter on every track.
I wouldn't say typical "modern". I would say "bad" or "novice" producers...  During mixing I more or less consider compressors and limiters more as effect to reshape the sound then actually bringing level down. Use gainstage and faders for lower the volume. During tracking compressors can keep a level tight and punchy but not over do it, it will kill the live feel.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 07:55:20
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Can anybody think of a reason to have PC2A + ProChannel Concrete Limiter live together on the same channel when it comes to treating a signal?
Just use concrete limiter for drums and PC2A for vocals right now.
Cheers
Alex
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 09:24:56
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It can work well for many situations, depends on the material.
In most cases I'd rather treat problematic peaks using a comp+limiter per track rather than sticking a bus comp on the source at the mastering stage.
That seems a go-to move these days whether the material needs it or not; for a gluing effect or loud product.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 20:49:01
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Anyone got any real world examples? For me right now its either/or ... or not at all. Keen to understand why people would want to do both. Cheers.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 21:07:56
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As I said using both is not unusual.
Tracking : comp to smooth overall signal & limiter to catch transients.
Mastering: 2-buss comp for gluing + brickwall limiter
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 21:15:41
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Why not gates to catch the transients? Ie Cakes SSL gating pro channel emulation (name bypasses me right now). Cheers.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 21:17:04
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 21:17:36
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CakeAlexS
Why not gates to catch the transients? Ie Cakes SSL gating pro channel emulation (name bypasses me right now). Cheers.
How do you use a gate to catch transients?
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/03 21:32:42
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Using a gate to "catch" transients is plausible, with fast enough release times, one could very well isolate just the initial attack of a signal.
But the word "catch" is tricky here, as catching for the limiter is completely different. While the gate can isolate the attack, presumably it is still keeping the transient intact.
A limiter on the hand is more akin to "eating" the transient; thwacking it down; impeding it, etc.
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Re:PC2A vs ProChannel Concrete Limiter - FIGHT...
2013/02/04 15:54:25
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Personally, I never use a limiter on a track. I would rather adjust the gain or the volume. When it comes to the master buss, you may well find that a regular compressor is going to still let things get into the red. If you try putting the 76 or the PC4k and even the PC-2A or CA-2A on your master buss you will find that they still allow things to get into the red. The brickwall limiter, such as Concrete, will clamp those overages down. The trick that was mentioned before is basically to put a compressor on the bus to glue things together and use the brickwall just to block any overages at all. That trick has been around since the prehistoric days of analog tape. LOL!
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