travismc1
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PC4K S-type
Is there a difference between the PC4K s-type channel compressor that comes the Producer Expanded and the PC4k s-type that the cakewalk store sells as an add-on? (other than appearance) After all, they both say PC4k s-type.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 08:06:49
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Not that I am aware of...
Even the appearance should be identical.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 08:07:47
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Of all the CW PC addons, the PC4K S-Type channel compressor is the weakest. There are a few differences such as setting attack and compression ratio. Aside from that, the ProChannel will allow multiple copies of the addon modules in a channel but only one copy of the the modules that come with SONAR.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 10:14:12
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I think you can use as many s-type instances as you wish in X2- I know I can.
It does react differently to a normal compressor but then again so does the SSL Duende channel strip compressor which I also own. I believe that one is modelled on a slightly different SSL console (and I suppose same model consoles are slightly different) but the basics are similiar. You can put the threshold to 0 and even though the signal won't reach it if there is ratio above 1:1 compression will take place. And raising the ratio on both the Sonar and SSL simulations actually increases volume where you would expect it to do the opposite- so there is some automatic gain compensation happening or something.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 10:55:30
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I could never figure out what to do with that one. Need to learn more.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 11:45:53
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I think you are referring to the PC4K-Buss type that comes with X2 and the PC4K-Channel type that is sold as an add on.
While I think it's fair to say that the PC-4K channel type is probably the compressor I use least it has become my preferred comp for acoustic guitar and certain bass guitar sounds as well.
It's worth having but I'd get the PC2A before that.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 11:51:36
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I got my with the Production Suite... or maybe that's a different module. The naming conventions confuse me.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 11:59:10
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Beepster
I got my with the Production Suite... or maybe that's a different module. The naming conventions confuse me.
It may well be part of the production suite but the PC-4K channel type definitely isn't part of the regular producer, it's an addon. Do you use it much Beepster? When I first got it I hardly ever used it but I'm definitely growing into it. It's a little harder to set up than the others but worth the effort when you get it right. IMHO of course.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:04:19
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It was not part of the Production Suite but it was thrown in as a promo freebie occasionally. The PC Expander/Gate was part of the Suite along with X1 Expanded and z3ta+2.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:19:56
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Oh yeah. I'm thinking of the Expander/Gate but I think I have the other one as well. Me no brain good today. :-/
I've used the Exp/Gate thing like once and I really didn't know how to set it up. Gotta read up more. I need to visually see most of these things to identify them. The names just get me all discomboobled.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:27:24
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So the PC4K which is being sold separately is not the same thing that comes with X2 Producer? What is the difference between the buss-type and the channel type (apart from the obvious)? Do they both have the same controls, i.e. threshold/makeup etc?
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:29:56
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I use the PC4K Channel Compressor on almost all tracks that suit its characteristics.
It's great on snares, vocals, synths..
I think its best quality is that it encourages you to dial in the settings based on how
it's affecting the sound, rather than using any visual reference. The compression can
often be heard long before anything shows in the reduction meter.
Others will disagree, but I love the thing =)
@scook:
I totally agree, the standard modules also need to be available as multiple instances, for
continuity's sake if nothing else!
Here's hoping =)
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:32:23
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There are two PC4K S-Type compressors. The one included with SONAR is the PC4K S-Type Bus Compressor. The other one, the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor is an addon that is on sale now. I detailed some of the differences in my first post in this thread.
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travismc1
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 12:35:19
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I use the PC 76 more than anything... I switched on the PC4k - s-type a few times but I keep going back to the 76. but does anybody know if there is any major difference between the "channel" style compressor that is sold versus the "buss" style compressor. I just took a moment to watch the commercial for the "channel" compressor. The narrator says that the channel comp, combined with the buss comp and expander/gate makes for "complete" emulation of the board...(I'm assuming an SSL 4000).
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 13:36:00
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Well they certainly look different. PC-4K Buss type  PC-4K Channel type  I think ChillDanny hit the nail on the head earlier, it makes you listen. It has definitely grown on me and I find myself using it more and more.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 13:51:54
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Ah... Yeah I use that top one all the time... well I use it less now that I bought the... urm, that other one that was on special PC2A? I'm pretty sure I have that bottom one too. If it wasn't included in the boxed Suite I have no idea where it came from... but yeah, I'm 99.9% positive I have that one unless there is another that looks like it.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 13:59:04
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The Expander/Gate looks similar to the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor Module. Check it out when you get your DAW unpacked.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 14:07:41
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That's probably what I'm thinking of but I seem to recall being able to toggle between the top one and the bottom one in FBBs pics and if I'm not mistaken the Exp/Gate has green knobs.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 14:14:17
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It is possible you got the Channel Compressor as a promo. You certainly paid enough for the Production Suite to qualify for a free $20 compressor plug. The Expander/Gate does have green knobs.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 14:40:17
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Yeah, it's only $24.50 at the moment instead of the usual $49.
It's really good when you get to know how to use it. I think I was lucky because before ProChannel came to Sonar I used the SSL Duende Channel Strip on every track and the bus Comp on all my buses. I began to understand how to use it by forcing myself to use. Originally, I was a bit underwhelmed by the Channel comp (both SSL and Sonar versions) but it is super easy to dial in when you get used to it.
What makes it weird for people is they don't understand the soft knee, over easy type compression and the fact that the ratio knob also adjusts the gain automatically.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 14:43:59
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Yes the PC-4K gate has a similar look. 
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 15:02:00
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After reading thru all of your comments...and a lot of contemplation, I'm going to wait and see what tomorrow's black friday deal is and if I don't like it, I may take the plunge and by the 3 pro-channel modules that are on sale. I've been waiting to see if they would put all 4 pc modules on a black friday deal or if they would bring back the SOFTUBE bundle.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 15:42:19
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travismc1
After reading thru all of your comments...and a lot of contemplation, I'm going to wait and see what tomorrow's black friday deal is and if I don't like it, I may take the plunge and by the 3 pro-channel modules that are on sale. I've been waiting to see if they would put all 4 pc modules on a black friday deal or if they would bring back the SOFTUBE bundle.
That Softube bundle is available right now for $157.99 from Audio Deluxe: http://audiodeluxe.com/products/softube-mix-bundle Cheers, Eddie
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 15:45:55
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Thanks, Eddie... but I was kind of hoping to get my hands on the PC modules and VST's. The only drawbacks to the PC modules is that they are SONAR specific whereas I can use VST's in any daw... Still that is a tempting price.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 15:52:41
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travismc1
Thanks, Eddie... but I was kind of hoping to get my hands on the PC modules and VST's. The only drawbacks to the PC modules is that they are SONAR specific whereas I can use VST's in any daw... Still that is a tempting price.
You may be in luck still ... the Sonar PC modules were included with the normal VSTs when I bought them from AD a few months ago, after CW stopped selling them. Demos from Softube also included the PC GUIs. Cheers, Eddie
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Re:PC4K S-type
2012/11/29 16:51:22
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travismc1
Thanks, Eddie... but I was kind of hoping to get my hands on the PC modules and VST's. The only drawbacks to the PC modules is that they are SONAR specific whereas I can use VST's in any daw... Still that is a tempting price.
You may be in luck still ... the Sonar PC modules were included with the normal VSTs when I bought them from AD a few months ago, after CW stopped selling them. Demos from Softube also included the PC GUIs.
Cheers,
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The Softube Mix Bundle does include the Pro Channel Modules as well as the VST's. It's part of the package. The actual Softube Installer actually gives you ALL the Softube Plugins, it just doesn't activate them. You have to have a license to activate the plugins. So, if you have a Softube plugin, ALL the Softube DLL's are on your system. You only get to use the ones for which you have a license. Cheers!
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Re:PC4K S-type
2013/02/12 02:33:12
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How and when do you use the PC4K Channel Comp ?
And do you use it with the Fast Attack switch on, or not ?
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Re:PC4K S-type
2013/02/12 06:31:01
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Hmm, just noticed I don't have the PC4K channel module. What's the main differences between that and the included PC76 U-Style/Classic FET module? Should I be looking to purchase the PC4k too?
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travismc1
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Re:PC4K S-type
2013/02/12 07:59:56
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Dean, ... one is for the individual track and one is for the BUSS. PC76 is based on the 1176 FET compressor. The Buss compressor is based on Solid State Logic 4000 BUSS compressor. Now the fine details I can't expand on too much but I understand that the 1176 was a rack unit. it has NO sidechaining capabilities. The PC4k buss has sidechaining, a high pass filter, and a WET/DRY mix so that you can do parallel compression without creating a new buss. It came from the BUSS section of the SSL4000 board. ... I've come to the conclusion that compression is compression... how gentle or how harsh depends on how you adjust it. The PC4K CHANNEL does not come with the Producer .... it is an add-on. I've got to the point where I use 1176, and PC2A the most... I use PC4k buss on summed mixes alot where I have, say 2 or more guitars routed to one buss and the BUSS compressor kind of glues it together before adding it to the rest of the mix.
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Re:PC4K S-type
2013/02/12 08:23:14
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travismc1
Dean, ... one is for the individual track and one is for the BUSS. PC76 is based on the 1176 FET compressor. The Buss compressor is based on Solid State Logic 4000 BUSS compressor. Now the fine details I can't expand on too much but I understand that the 1176 was a rack unit. it has NO sidechaining capabilities. The PC4k buss has sidechaining, a high pass filter, and a WET/DRY mix so that you can do parallel compression without creating a new buss. It came from the BUSS section of the SSL4000 board. ... I've come to the conclusion that compression is compression... how gentle or how harsh depends on how you adjust it. The PC4K CHANNEL does not come with the Producer .... it is an add-on. I've got to the point where I use 1176, and PC2A the most... I use PC4k buss on summed mixes alot where I have, say 2 or more guitars routed to one buss and the BUSS compressor kind of glues it together before adding it to the rest of the mix.
OK, so until I get the PC4K CHANNEL module, I keep using the PC76 on individual channels and the PC4K BUSS on all my busess. Sounds logical Thanks Dean
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