Jimbo 88

MelodicJimmy


Dear Cakewalk, I HATE Apple. With a passion. I don't like Macs. I think they're overrated. I love Sonar. I really do. But, I'm sorry, Macs have one thing going for them: Logic Pro 9. And, what's so great about Logic Pro 9? What sets it apart from Sonar? AMAZING NOTATION. So, what is it with you people? It's almost 2013. Why can't you just either develop a great notation interface within Sonar OR get together with a notation company, such as Sibelius and let THEM do the notation part. I'd GLADLY pay more for Sonar upgrades if it had a fantastic notation system. When I say "fantastic notation system," I mean completely the opposite of what you guys have now. I mean, it really, completely SUCKS. It's terrible. It's a nightmare to use. I've made this post before, I know. I'm also not sorry. Your notation REALLY sucks. As a customer, I'd like to see this fixed.

YES   TOTALLY AGREE!
 
 
The funny thing is I watch my children go thru school and attend many music concerts.  I see hundreds upon hundreds of kids who learn to read music at some level at all different grades.   There must be a way to tap into this market.  I hear people say well Sonar is a recording and mixing application....well it is a sequencing application 1st and what better way to introduce this music recording application then thru composition and music notation/seqencing. Here is a big market of young consumers who have already have some basic training related to your product.  You just need to make the notation work at a usable level.  It does not need to be "Sibelius/Finale" alternatives.
 
I've said this before....How we record/sequence music will change with technology.  The "DAW" could most likely be history in 10 years.  Just as multitrack tape machines and ADATS and Cassettes and CDs.   But what will be the link between new technology and music??   
 
NOTATION!!!          
 
Do you want a product/company that will survive the long haul?  Pay attention to what will still be around after the dust settles.

vintagevibe


People on the Notion forum have tried it and state that it works with Sonar X2 64bit.

tomixornot


@joakes :

Which one did you test ?

1. Record midi in Sonar, rewire midi output to Notion 4 to show score
(I really want this)

or

2. Note entry in Notion 4, midi output to Sonar for sound ?
(if it supports 1 and 2, would be totally great !)

lfm

tomixornot  

I want what you want - it's a mystery really that notation software implement rewire - but forgot about midi - which really is what you need.

Rewire notation software in - checkmark the midi tracks you want to process - and done, just about.

pbognar

riojazz


It's been awhile now, back around SONAR 7 or early 8, but Cakewalk acknowledged that the notation needed improvement. Cakewalk understood what was really needed, even if some of the forum posters did not. Cakewalk said that it did not have the resources to make it a priority at that time. After that, a few of us held out hope that something would happen. My hope has faded almost away, but it isn't completely gone.

Is it just my imagination, or does it appear that there is a gag order preventing Cakewalk staff from posting any comment regarding the Staff View on the forums?


Personally, when X1 became available, I thought it was a great new interface / workflow.  But in what defies logic, the Staff View appears to be getting less functional and more buggy than ever.

"Remove the Stone of Shame, and attach the Stone of Triumph!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjeVB7Me1yA

pbognar

Is it just my imagination, or does it appear that there is a gag order preventing Cakewalk staff from posting any comment regarding the Staff View on the forums?

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]

"I use SONAR's Piano Roll View. I'm not really a Staff View person..." link

Kev999

pbognar

Is it just my imagination, or does it appear that there is a gag order preventing Cakewalk staff from posting any comment regarding the Staff View on the forums?

There was one brief response last year and it was not at all encouraging:

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]

"I use SONAR's Piano Roll View. I'm not really a Staff View person..." link

Unfortunately Cakewalk staff seem to believe in the same myth as most users, i.e. you can use either PRV or SV, not both.

It's a real pity that Notion 4 does not support midi over rewire either. Reply from their support: "Our ReWire still only transmits audio data via ReWire. If you would like to send MIDI data to another program, you can do so using MIDI out. " I just don't get it - why would we want audio data into notation software. So that's it - Sonar needs to upgrade their staff view.

lfm


It's a real pity that Notion 4 does not support midi over rewire either.

Reply from their support:
"Our ReWire still only transmits audio data via ReWire. If you would like to send MIDI data to another program, you can do so using MIDI out. "

I just don't get it - why would we want audio data into notation software.

So that's it - Sonar needs to upgrade their staff view.

Jimbo 88


My upgrade to Sibelius 7 just came....will see how rewire works here!

vintagevibe

Jimbo 88

 Why would we want audio data in or out of a notation program???  I want to take advantage of the notation editing and use the midi to transfer it to Sonar. 

 

People who use the included sounds in the notation app need to dump the audio into the DAW.  Understandable but I, like you, want to be able to send the MIDI data.

Jimbo 88

 
Well so far i have Sibelius 7 loading into Sonar thru rewire,  but i can not get it to sync properly.  I don't have a lot of time to mess with this tonight,  but I'll keep trying it during down times.