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2014/01/23 09:04:58 (permalink)

POD Farm 2.5 Tones

I have the latest version of POD Farm (Platinum I think....) and have been using the line 6 Tonport Gold DI box as my audio interface since 2007. Lately, this DI box has been a bit buggy (dropping out audio drivers in Sonar) in Win 8 (although it's supported). So, I just purchased a Focusrite 2i4 which works effortlessly and I'm happy with it. Only thing I noticed was that the tones seemed a bit thinner with the Focusrite than with the Toneport.....but, I havn't spent enough time with the new interface.
 
My problem is that when running POD Farm (using the Focusrite), the majority of the presets amps/cabs/fx etc...are unavailable now because I'm using another interface other than Line 6's. If I pick any particular preset, it does show all the gear used for that tone, but only a few of the items are active (the greyed out gear shows as unavailable). Of course, I can choose a different amp/cab or whatever that's missing from a list of other amps/cabs, but I did like a lot of their presets which I generally tweaked to my taste.
I suppose I'm just really dissappointed that POD Farm excluded sooooo much gear that I was so comfortably using and expected them to be there when I needed them.
 
Is there a fix for this so I can use the presets like they were intended to or do I just have to start using alternate gear within POD Farm?  I do like this software and don't really want to look for an alternate, but I'm certainly open to options as well......(I'd like to find a fix for this before looking for another).
 
 
UPDATE: I searched the internet and found this.....
 
If you.....
a) Buy it for ilok, you can use it with any audio interface you like. (the ilok holds your licence)
b) buy the Line 6 hardware independent version and you can still use any audio interface you like, but, you must have your line 6 product connected you your computer and switched on. (line 6 device store licence)

 unless they've changed it, the standalone version only works with the line 6 hardware. Everything else works via plugin
 
I did buy the DI box (which works as a dongle/iLok) that holds my license, and all my testing was been done in Standalone. Looks like I'll have to keep the Toneport DI plugged in and use the Focusrite as my interface. (I did like noodling in standalone and which has been my inspiration to record........looks like my inspirations need changing).  
 
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 13:32:00 (permalink)
    Since I already have an iLok I just went with that for POD Farm 2.5.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 13:41:11 (permalink)
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    Since I already have an iLok I just went with that for POD Farm 2.5.


    I also have an iLok, but my PF 2.5 was included (via an upgrade) with the Toneport interface. If I had bought PF seperately, then I could use it with any interface..........oh well......I'll just see how this pans out in useage.
     
    The hard part in adjusting to all of this is, I usually get my tones first before recording.    

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 13:45:07 (permalink)
    I had a similar experience Mesh and it was really disappointing. I bought a UX1 a couple of years ago and it came with a free copy of POD Farm. I used PD Farm all the time as my "go to" amp sim. Last year I decided to upgrade my interface to one of the higher end Focusrite Scarlettes and I found out that PF was tied to my UX1 even though they advertise PF as no longer being linked to a piece of hardware. My response from Line 6 was that I had to now pay for a copy of PF because the version I got with the UX1 was free.

    If I was going to have to pay for a full version for it to work on any interface, it seemed like a good time to switch; and I did.
     
    I should add that I have an 8i6 and a 2i4 in the Scarlette's. I have not used the 2i4 yet for recording guitar or bass, but instead, have been using the 8i6.  At first it just didn't sound right or as good as the Line 6 unit as a guitar direct in.  About half way into my second song recording, I noticed that I had never engaged the instrument button on the unit and was only plugged in as a line in; not as High Z.  After that discovery....it sounds great.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 14:11:46 (permalink)
    Yeah, it's dissapointing Mike.
    IIRC, I paid something like $29.99 (about 5 years ago) to upgrade to PF Platinum. I should check with them and see what they say about this.....(not really expecting anything positive, but who knows....).

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 14:14:29 (permalink)
    I would think you could transfer you license to the iLok Mesh. Seems trivial to me for them to do that. Maybe offer to send them the old device as proof you're not trying to pirate the stuff.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 14:34:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Bapu, I'll check on the iLok transfer thingy. I'd like to keep the DI box and use it on a second PC for my daughter to learn Sonar.....(and hopefully, she'll teach me something)

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/23 20:50:17 (permalink)
    Yea Mesh, great idea to contact them. I had a similar issue last year with them. I purchased the gold bundle when I had my UX2. I forgot about it until last year, I emailed them and was told I would have to upgrade to get it to work in Pod farm 2, but they sent me a link so I could DL Pod farm 1. Everything works in Pod farm 1 but is 32 bit only I think.
     I'm actually not a huge fan of their tones but I really like some of the internal FX for some things.
     
     OT, BTW I ended up getting BF4 through Origin, an application very much like steam, at first I experienced some of the issues that folks were complaining about at first, then I found the 64 bit exe. Just wow, if you had any doubts about that, your card and machine would eat that game for lunch and want more.   

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 08:43:47 (permalink)
    Good news!!
     
    Last night, I tried plugging in my Toneport and wanted to see if I'd get back all the presets/amps/cabs/FX's etc... and viola, it's all there!!! I also confirmed (in POD Farm) that I'm using the Focusrite as my hardware interface, and that also was a YES!!!
     
    With this setup, I have no problems using an additional USB port (even though it'll be just a bulky dongle) just to have my tones back!!! So, you guys can also try this out and keep your "older" interface plugged in to get PF working.
     
    That's great Grant!! I also have Origin for Crysis 3, and a couple of free ones from their site. I'm also thinking about getting BF4 (hopefully on sale) and it's good to know about the 64 bit exe. How are you liking the game overall? Are you playing single player or multi? 
    I heard there some really good mods out there for these games, but still haven' tried out on any yet.....have you done anything like that?

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:13:45 (permalink)
    Right now I'm on the SP campaign and practicing the air, sea and land vehicles in the test range.  I think I will be going online multi with it, a lot of my friends play it online on Xbox and playstation, they all assure me I really haven't played it until I've played the multi. I also went for "Need for Speed Gear" and will be getting Crysis 3 soon.
     
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:18:27 (permalink)
    Be good to get a definitive answer on this. People say the latest version can be any interface and others say that's only if the Line6 hardware is used as a dongle or you have the iLok attached. Some say it can work independent but not if it's FireWire.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:31:30 (permalink)
     Not sure who says it will work with other interfaces, but they only sell two versions, one for their hardware and one for ilock. I'm pretty certain no other interface will work

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:44:31 (permalink)
    It does work with any interface that much is on their site. I knew that. Just need to clarify the conditions.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:46:48 (permalink)
     Well I think you're mistaken, you might want to write their support to clarify.

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 09:57:56 (permalink)
    It says any USB interface on the product page:

    Hardware Independence.
    Use POD Farm 2.5 with any USB audio interface.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:05:47 (permalink)
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    It says any USB interface on the product page:

    Hardware Independence.
    Use POD Farm 2.5 with any USB audio interface.



    I believe it depends on how PF was acquired.......via hardware or just purchased software (needing iLok). Either way, the licensing is locked into one of the two pieces of gear(at least that's my understanding.......).
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:13:39 (permalink)
     I think the mistake could be due to the wording of the hardware version "POD Farm 2.5 (hardware independent)"
    sounds like the opposite of what it is. system requirements for that is
    Required Hardware:
    Computer
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    POD Studio KB37
    POD Studio UX1
    POD Studio UX2
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    PODxt Pro
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:17:20 (permalink)
    Yeah and the set up manual says this just to confuse it more

    3rd Party Audio Interfaces
    If you are to be using an audio interface from a manufacturer other than Line 6, the steps throughout the following sections are very similar for configuring your device. It is required that your audio device include a Core Audio driver (for Mac® applications) or ASIO® driver (for Windows® applications) for POD Farm, as well as for most DAW applications. Please refer to your device manufacturer’s documentation for specifics on its features and options. We’ve added some pointers in the following sections for things to configure for 3rd party devices as well.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:23:02 (permalink)
    My take was that you could use any USB interface as long as it was still dongled by Line6 hardware or the iLok version. Just wondered if anyone had used it with another USB device with neither of those attached?
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:27:30 (permalink)
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    Right now I'm on the SP campaign and practicing the air, sea and land vehicles in the test range.  I think I will be going online multi with it, a lot of my friends play it online on Xbox and playstation, they all assure me I really haven't played it until I've played the multi. I also went for "Need for Speed Gear" and will be getting Crysis 3 soon.
     
     Also picked up 2 "Air Conflicts" games from Steam over the holidays and loving them.
     
     Don't be surprised if you find me joining one of your battles sometime.  My login on both is ohgrant but for a while deadmeat might be a more suitable handle. :) See you there sometime.   



    I also could easily use "deadmeat" as login......most games take me awhile to get used to all the controls, but I do like a good fight and don't ever give up easily. My login name is Meshodman for both and I'm also just playing SP (so far).......I got COD (not Ghost....can't remember which, but an earlier one) for Christmas, but haven't installed it yet.
     
    The only game I play online is TF2 (which I'm hooked). At first, it looked a bit "cartoony", but after I learned to use the skills of my fav character (Soldier), IT WAS ON!!!........There are still another 8+ characters I haven't played enough to do well, but the Soldier gets to blow up stuff and do a lot of dammage. :) You should join me in TF2.....it's free and a very good one....IMO.
     

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:32:13 (permalink)
    Things may have changed, but when I had a UX2, if I unplugged it to use my delta card, line 6 Pod farm did not function. If I recall correctly some of Gear box did but was very limited. Same now with the ilock version, it works as long as the ilock is connected.
     
     Just so you know, I was pretty impressed with their support when I contacted them last year and I'm sure you would get a definitive answer from them. I have serious doubts there is a native version that is not protected by either ilock or their hardware, but perhaps they came to their senses and realized limiting their customers to folks that have certain pieces of hardware is really self defeating, but I doubt they see it that way.    
     

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:34:48 (permalink)
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    My take was that you could use any USB interface as long as it was still dongled by Line6 hardware or the iLok version. Just wondered if anyone had used it with another USB device with neither of those attached?

    Strike, I doubt this would work (fully) as the licensing is locked into one of the two. Of note, PF2.5 did work without my Toneport being plugged in, but it was severely limited (Standalone mode). I read somewhere that when used as a plugin, all the features were available......haven't tried it as a plugin yet.

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:35:32 (permalink)
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    Right now I'm on the SP campaign and practicing the air, sea and land vehicles in the test range.  I think I will be going online multi with it, a lot of my friends play it online on Xbox and playstation, they all assure me I really haven't played it until I've played the multi. I also went for "Need for Speed Gear" and will be getting Crysis 3 soon.
     
     Also picked up 2 "Air Conflicts" games from Steam over the holidays and loving them.
     
     Don't be surprised if you find me joining one of your battles sometime.  My login on both is ohgrant but for a while deadmeat might be a more suitable handle. :) See you there sometime.   



    I also could easily use "deadmeat" as login......most games take me awhile to get used to all the controls, but I do like a good fight and don't ever give up easily. My login name is Meshodman for both and I'm also just playing SP (so far).......I got COD (not Ghost....can't remember which, but an earlier one) for Christmas, but haven't installed it yet.
     
    The only game I play online is TF2 (which I'm hooked). At first, it looked a bit "cartoony", but after I learned to use the skills of my fav character (Soldier), IT WAS ON!!!........There are still another 8+ characters I haven't played enough to do well, but the Soldier gets to blow up stuff and do a lot of dammage. :) You should join me in TF2.....it's free and a very good one....IMO.
     




    Cool, I'll have to give that TF2 a try

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 10:43:58 (permalink)
    Isn't the licensing now locked into the License manager rather than the device? Reading around complicates it even more! As I said it would be good to get a definitive answer. Is there anyone out there using another USB device with no iLok or Line6 hardware attached and getting the full programme to work in standalone and VST plug-in?
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:08:26 (permalink)
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    Isn't the licensing now locked into the License manager rather than the device? Reading around complicates it even more! As I said it would be good to get a definitive answer. Is there anyone out there using another USB device with no iLok or Line6 hardware attached and getting the full programme to work in standalone and VST plug-in?

    Nope.
     
    Before I had my auth code for iLock I downloaded the latest version (this was two weeks ago). My RME UFX is running ASIO vis USB. I was told by POD FARM 2.5 it was not authorized. SONAR VST scan found it but it was unusable. Once I loaded the auth into my iLok it worked.
     
    I take the wording to mean you can drive POD FARM 2.5 with any USB audio interface but that DOES NOT preclude the need for the (Line 6) authorizing device to be present.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:09:20 (permalink)
    BTW, my son in law is an engineer at Line 6 and that is how he described it to be before I acquired POD FARM 2.5 Platinum.
     
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:16:45 (permalink)
    I mean can you just use a 3rd party interface. Let's assume it was authorised using line6 hardware or iLok. I'll write to them today and tell them to drop the 'any 3rd party' literature as it's not the case. It's not independent if it needs some line6 item attached.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:20:36 (permalink)
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    I mean can you just use a 3rd party interface. Let's assume it was authorised using line6 hardware or iLok. I'll write to them today and tell them to drop the 'any 3rd party' literature as it's not the case.

    SH1 - I assume you mean auth'd but the auth'd device is not plugged in?
     
    No software that I know of that is auth'd to a device (be it iLok, USB dongle or hardware) would ever operate WITHOUT that device attached to the computer.
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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:21:52 (permalink)
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    I mean can you just use a 3rd party interface. Let's assume it was authorised using line6 hardware or iLok. I'll write to them today and tell them to drop the 'any 3rd party' literature as it's not the case. It's not independent if it needs some line6 item attached.


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    Isn't the licensing now locked into the License manager rather than the device? Reading around complicates it even more! As I said it would be good to get a definitive answer. Is there anyone out there using another USB device with no iLok or Line6 hardware attached and getting the full programme to work in standalone and VST plug-in?



    Aren't these contradicting questions?

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    Re: POD Farm 2.5 Tones 2014/01/24 11:24:54 (permalink)
    strikinglyhandsome1
    It's not independent if it needs some line6 item attached.

    It's independent for the "input" driver.
     
    I believe there was a time when you could ONLY get a POD FARM tone to be generated by plugging in your guitar (or bass) into a Line 6 device. But of course iLok changed that. AFAIK you cannot plug a geeter in to an iLok.
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