PROBLEM WITH DRUMS

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2011/11/15 18:53:02 (permalink)

PROBLEM WITH DRUMS

Hey,
I have been using sonar le for about two months now but i still have no clue how to use drums in my songs, how could I add in drums into my projects?, by the way when i say drums i dont have an electric drum set so i would have to use some sort of drum beat or sommin that is on sonar le, or is there one i could download?,
I would really appreciate your help, it's just this whole drum thing has been bugging me for ages and i just need some help on how i can actually put a beat to my song,
thank very much,
gg
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    57Gregy
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2011/11/15 23:27:45 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    You can enter MIDI data (notes) with your mouse in either the piano Roll view (PRV) or Staff view.
    You then send that MIDI data to a hardware synthesizer or software synthesizer to hear it. If you're using your stock computer sound card, the MIDI synthesizer is the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth. I don't know what software synths come with SONAR LE, so I can't tell you which one to try; you'll have to tell us what you have listed under 'Insert Soft Synths'.
    Here's what you can do with the MS GS Wavetable synth:
    Select MIDI track 10. Ensure that the output channel is Channel 10 MIDI Drums. Open that track's PRV.
    Click the 1/4 note icon above the PRV in older LE programs, or click the Event Duration button at the top in newer LEs based on SONAR X1, then select 1/4 note.
    Click the drop-down arrow next to the Snap-to grid (looks like a grid) above the PRV (older programs) or right-click the Snap-to grid at the top (newer programs) and choose 1/4 note.
    If it's set up correctly, you should have drum names on the left from top to bottom. Clicking the names should let you hear the drums.
    Select the Draw tool (older programs) above the PRV or the Draw tool at the top (newer programs).
    Draw a 1/4 note on the first and third beat of the measure on the bass drum line.
    Draw a 1/4 note on the second and fourth beat of the measure on the snare line.
    Draw a 1/4 note on all 4 beats on the high hat line.
    Now go back to the Track view
    The notes you just drew should be a clip. Right-click the clip and choose 'Groove Clip Looping'. The clip's corners should become bevelled, indicating that the clip is now a Groove Clip. Drag the right edge out as far as you like and the clip will repeat as far as you drag it. For newer programs, you will have to select the Smart Tool at the top to drag it out.
    You now have a simple, steady beat to play or record to. Adding fills and other drummer stuff will come with time and practice.
    There may be pre-made, ready to go MIDI clips included with your program that you can just drag into the tracks where you want them. Open the Loop Explorer and investigate.
    Later you'll want to get an audio interface designed for recording and some drum soft synths for better-sounding drums. Some of those even create the drum tracks for you.
    Good luck!

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    ggarrett
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2011/11/16 16:25:39 (permalink)
    Ah thanks sooo much,
    but i checked the soft synths and there were these drums called SI drum, they had some really good beats and thrills but once i dragged one of the drum beats to the track it would play really off beat and it wouldn't even play the beat properly, it sounded as if it was just random drum playing, have i done something wrong, how can i get it working?
    thanks
    gg
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2011/11/16 20:14:50 (permalink)
    Good, SI Drums is a good place to start.
    To put the MIDI clips in the correct position, set the Snap-to resolution to Measure, assuming you want them to start at the beginning of the measure.

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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2011/11/20 11:18:10 (permalink)
     I've been taking a premade drum loop from the SI-drums, and dropping it into a midi track, although on playback it does not sound anything like the SI samples.
    What should i do, ive been trying to do the snap-to thing to measure but still doent work, thank you for your help so far 
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2011/11/20 20:31:11 (permalink)
    What is the output of the MIDI track you're dropping the clips into? (per Beagle in the SHS forum)
    If you have the snap-to resolution set to Measure and it's on (highlighted) it will place the clip at the start of the nearest measure to where you drag it. It's not doing that for you?

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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2012/06/30 03:48:41 (permalink)
    Im having the same issue, I can get the beat to play but its off beat. I looked all over the forums but cant find resolution. any help would be great. I have the snap to measure on. the beat starts right, but after 2 or 3 beats it is off and then its back on, and back off etc etc etc.
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2012/06/30 10:25:59 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    Are the notes in the correct place but the sound of the notes are off beat?
    What soft synth are you using?
    What is your sound card?

    Greg 
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    Re:PROBLEM WITH DRUMS 2012/07/01 10:26:35 (permalink)
    You can try to install Edirol VSC-Virtual Sound Canvas. There are lots of sounds, drums included, of low-medium quality, but it's rather easy to handle. If you don't need an high quality drumming it could be useful. They are not samples or loops, the midi notes are to be programmed or simply played on the keyboard and then equalized.

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