PRV Issue

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2017/09/07 11:47:06 (permalink)

PRV Issue

Hi all.
 
I don't know if it's me or whether or not this is something we are unable to do in the new PRV.
 
Under the old system, it was easy to use a drum map for keyswitches to enable different articulations when writing orchestral pieces.
The map would live happily above the actual note pane and both were visible at the same time
 
Now, it seems I can only view either the drum map or the note pane making it impossible to know where to insert a new artic
 
Click the note pane, the drum map blanks out
Click the drum map, the note pane blanks out
 
Has anyone else come across this and found a workaround, or is there a setting which needs to be enabled?
 
 
Thanks in advance

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    Re: PRV Issue 2017/09/07 12:49:34 (permalink)
    Have you tried dragging the you'd-never-know-it-was-there divider up from the bottom of the window? It works for me (2017.07). If the cursor does not turn into the "divider cursor" as you hover near the bottom of the drum map pane (and probably the top if you have the notes pane displayed) hover in different spots near the top or bottom. Hopefully you'll find the sweet spot and then can drag to divide the PRV into both views split.
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    Re: PRV Issue 2017/09/07 13:39:11 (permalink)
    This is bothering me too, it completely brakes my workflow so I can't update to versions with new PRV until this is fixed.
    Basically, the content of Drum Map pane in the new PRV should be visible when other track is active - like before - but  for some reason it isn't. Everything disappears, percussion notes or keyswitches in the Drum Pane are not visible at the same time when other track is selected, even though both tracks are set to be visible. It must be a bug, I don't see why this would be by design.
     
    Bakers, please fix this soon.
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    Re: PRV Issue 2017/09/07 13:46:01 (permalink)
    PeteL
    Have you tried dragging the you'd-never-know-it-was-there divider up from the bottom of the window? It works for me (2017.07). If the cursor does not turn into the "divider cursor" as you hover near the bottom of the drum map pane (and probably the top if you have the notes pane displayed) hover in different spots near the top or bottom. Hopefully you'll find the sweet spot and then can drag to divide the PRV into both views split.

    Thanks for your input, but I know about splitting the screen to show the drum map & note pane simultaneously.
     
    As I said, you still cannot view both sets of notes at the same time.
     
    Seems like this is confirmed by askic.
     
    Anyone else care to chip in?

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/07 14:00:17 (permalink)
    EIDT: Sorry, I am wrong in what I said below.  Guess I was testing things too quickly or something ...  I apologize.  This post can probably be deleted, as well as my post above. 
     
    I just checked, and I can see both at once.  Could it be a matter of proper track pane setup?  Try selecting different combinations of the track number (with the pencil icon) and track name.  I can get it to behave the way I think yours is (the note and drum panes appear visible, but if I have the wrong combination of selections, the drum map names on the left (and notes) disappear).
     
    Actually I tried all combinations (highlighted pencils & track names) with a simple MIDI "note track", and a "keyswitch" track, and there is one combination where I would have expected the drum map to remain populated, where it didn't.  So, perhaps there is a little funkiness of some sort going on.  But, I still can get it to display both drum pane with keyswitches and notes pane at the same time, and am able to enter notes in either just adjusting what's highlighted in the track pane.  All while having the notes in both show on screen.
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/07 15:11:17 (permalink)
    Well I'm glad it does seem to be possible.
     
    I'll have another play with it this evening and report back.
     
    Thanks.

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/07 15:27:11 (permalink)
    Hey Jonesey, I hope you saw I edited my previous post to basically say what had I stated were "alternative facts" (heh-heh).  To summarize, here's what I can and can't do, in reality facts:
     
    1) Display both keyswitch "notes", and musical notes at once - CAN
    2) Edit/Draw keyswitch/percussion "notes" in the drum pane while musical notes are displayed (but hollow) - CAN
    3) Edit/Draw musical notes while seeing keyswitches/drum map notes - CANNOT
     
    In a way, #3 is not that horrible for, me at least, as I usually sequence the musical notes in first, and then go back to add the keyswitches (which I can currently do with the musical notes visible).  If the drum map is being used for actual percussion, you'd probably have that done (at least a basic track) first, which presents the huge problem of not being able to see the percussion notes for reference when entering music.
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/07 18:00:50 (permalink)
    No, you're right.
     
    #1 & #2 are perfectly workable for me as, like yourself, I only add/edit keyswitches in relation to existing notes
    #3 won't be an issue
     
    Not home yet but I'm working on it 
     
     

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/09 17:48:07 (permalink)
    Well I've played around with this today and the best scenario I can come up with is to have the Drum Map visible and providing me with the ability to add & edit artics, whilst showing the Note pane displaying Ghosted Notes below.
     
    As soon as I click on the note pane, the drum map disappears.

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/10 10:34:59 (permalink)
    Anybody?

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/10 17:14:12 (permalink)
    I opened up an older project with a drum track, drum map, etc. After moving the splitter bar to view both panes, I can only see the notes in the drum map pane - the "keyboard" pane is empty! This is not good. Clicking in the Note pane does not change things, still blank.
     
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/10 17:43:28 (permalink)
    Hi Colin (great name btw)!
     
    Well I'm glad it's not just me.
     
    This is not good at all.
    Tempted to rollback to the version before this "feature" was introduced.

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/11 01:03:34 (permalink)
    Hmm. I get the same result in Producer X3 and Producer X2: If I use a drum map, the piano roll empties out of notes and I only see the hits in the drum pane.
     
    So now I am wondering if I am crazy for remembering it working at one point.
    But clearly you do remember it working:
    >> The map would live happily above the actual note pane and both were visible at the same time
     
    So I'm guessing this was an earlier version of Platinum.
    Just for fun I rolled back to 23.4 (April 2017 release) which is the earliest release I still have in my installs folder.
     
    Oh goodness, 23.4 is the one with the magically zoomed-in PRV... Yeah, I don't see it working here either.
    I'm not doing anything special, just creating a midi drum track that uses a drum map to talk to Addictive Drums, and then throwing up the PRV on the MIDI track and opening the pane splitter.
     
    Having tested this, I'm going to go back to 23.8.
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/11 08:57:10 (permalink)
    Well done you for persevering with this.
     
    It was DEFINITELY working at some point in Splat - both set of notes were visible and editable at the same time but somewhere along the line this broke.

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/11 12:02:49 (permalink)
    It works on the versions before introducing the new PRV. The last version before new PRV was 23.2.0.45 (February 2017) which is what I'm currently using (rolled back to it immediately because it broke my workflow as I use keyswitches in Drum Pane a lot and because of other broken thing- every time you start the project you have to highlight the tracks for content visibility again because they default to invisible so you have to do it again and again every time you re-open the project which is really pain if you have multiple locked tabs).
     
    In the February 2017 version (and earlier) I can write notes in both panes immediately without anything disappearing and without having to click on drum track in the Track Pane first. Very convenient and fast and IMO the way it should work by default.
     
    After the 23.2.0.45 version - you can't do that anymore. I'm sure it has something to do with introducing the new PRV. I thought it would annoy much more people, and that it would be fixed soon... apparently not.
     
    Another, although much less important annoyance, is that, unlike Controller Pane or Track Pane in PRV - when you hide and show the DrumMap Pane (with keyboard shortcut for example)- it doesn't preserve the view the way you set it. It always drops all the way down and not at the point where you made the split with the main Note Pane, so you have to pull it up manually every single time.
     
     
     
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/12 09:31:22 (permalink)
    I'm surprised more people aren't up in arms about this.
     
    It seems as though only a small group of us work in this way, but it's seriously slowing my work down.

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/12 16:48:13 (permalink)
    I noticed this happening while playing around one day, but thought it was due to pilot error. When Craig had his "request thread" for future topics, it's why I suggested workflow advice for the piano roll. I've been using another program to record other people's work, and was looking forward to using Sonar for my own recording - which is my next project. Maybe someone can chime in about this? Is this going to be considered an actual bug, or is it just going to be the way things work from now on?

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/12 18:09:32 (permalink)
    So... Bug Report or Feature Request? Or both?
     
    Perhaps they found a situation where the two panes could become out of sync and causes corruption problems. Given that it doesn't work the way we want in X2 and X3, I'm leaning towards feature request, citing the fact it used to work in earlier versions of the PRV (much rejoicing) only to be removed in the latest PRV revision (booo). Probably an "under-implementation" would be the most optimistic characterization. 
     
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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/12 19:50:14 (permalink)
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    So... Bug Report or Feature Request? Or both?
     
    Perhaps they found a situation where the two panes could become out of sync and causes corruption problems. Given that it doesn't work the way we want in X2 and X3, I'm leaning towards feature request, citing the fact it used to work in earlier versions of the PRV (much rejoicing) only to be removed in the latest PRV revision (booo). Probably an "under-implementation" would be the most optimistic characterization. 
     


    I'm absolutely sure it did work in X1, X2 & X3 as well as earlier incarnations of Splat
     
    I like your "under-implementation" rationale!!

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    Re: PRV Issue IGNORE THIS POST! 2017/09/13 00:40:29 (permalink)
    >> I'm absolutely sure it did work in X1, X2 & X3
     
    Then there must be some additional steps to allow it, because in a simple test (that I felt *ought* to work) I couldn't make notes visible in both panes...
     
    Let's make it a bug report, then, but ensure that we have a solid series of steps to repro in an earlier build that shows the behavior we want.
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