PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Everett

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2015/06/06 19:44:19 (permalink)

PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Everett

I am using the PRV for the first time.
 
I normally record audio and add drums using the Step Sequencer. In the past I have had some issues with SS so this time I decided to try to use the PRV. I have never done this before so I read up and watched some videos.
 
I downloaded the AD2 template and drum maps (there was a thread about it a while back). I started a new project and used the AD2 template.
 
I selected view PRV, added some notes but there were no sounds. I noticed that the outputs of each note were being sent to something other the AD2 map so I went through, one by one, and reassigned each note to AD2. This time I got the drum sounds. I added some notes (kicks and snare for now).
 
I wanted a swing feel, so I selected the notes and went to the menu Process->Quantize and then pressed audition. Sonar said it was not responding and then shutdown. I re-started Sonar. When I clicked in the PRV on the individual notes, I heard sound but when I pressed play there was no sound. I went into preferences->midi->drum map manager and clicked around (not knowing what else to do) and when I went back to PRV and pressed play, I heard the drum beats again. Not sure what I did.
 
I selected the notes and went to Process->Quantize and pressed audition and sure enough Sonar crashed again.
 
Am I doing something I shouldn't do?
 
When I had problems using SS I was told to use PRV. It is not working out to well for me lol
 
Should I just go back to SS? Hopefully I won't run into the issues I have had with it in the past.
 
Thanks for any guidance you can give me.
 
--Edit--
I took the dogs for a walk. When I got back and re-opened up the project, there was no sound again. I went to preferences->Drum map->Manager and selected a drum and re-set it to AD2, I got sound. I read somewhere about a drum map bug. Is this it?
I selected my notes and tried Process->Quantize again but this time I did not audition. I just hit OK. It worked. I guess it is just audition that doesn't work for me.
post edited by maximumpower - 2015/06/06 21:15:37

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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/06 20:32:41 (permalink)
    Suggestion, see if any of these scenarios stops the behaviour....
     
    Upgrade to Everett.
    Try performing a VST reset, specific instructions here (must be RESET then rescan):
    https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders
    Try a different plugin/soft synth in case the plugin is buggy..
    Try running Sonar as Admin.
    Update your audio interface firmware and drivers.
    See if you can repro on a brand new project...
     
    Ta.....
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/06/06 20:38:42

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/06 21:14:07 (permalink)
    Doktor Avalanche
    Suggestion, see if any of these scenarios stops the behaviour....
     
    Upgrade to Everett.
    Try performing a VST reset, specific instructions here (must be RESET then rescan):
    https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders
    Try a different plugin/soft synth in case the plugin is buggy..
    Try running Sonar as Admin.
    Update your audio interface firmware and drivers.
    See if you can repro on a brand new project...
     
    Ta.....


    Oops. I meant Everett. I updated the title.
     
    I am running Sonar as Admin.
     
    My interface is no longer supported. The last drivers they put out were for Windows 8.0 and I have 8.1.
     
    I can try again with a new project but it was a new project.
     
    I will try again a re-scan and try the audition in this project and see if that makes a difference. If not, I will try again with a brand new project. I was not far into the new project so it should be easy to reproduce.
     
    Finally, I will try a different plugin. Do you think it matters if it is another drum program or not? It may have something to do with loading this template? I will try on a different template too to see if that narrows it down.
     
    Thanks!

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/06 21:33:27 (permalink)
    I did a reset and rescan. I tried audition and the same thing happened. Sonar crashes. What actually happens is it acts like it is playing but there is no sound and the quantize dialog goes blank. When I click anywhere, Sonar says it has stopped working and crashes.
     
    I started a new project with the normal template but this time selected Session Drummer. I added some notes and tried Process->Quantize and audition. It did audition but the sound is very crackly and sounds awful. When I stopped auditioning, I can still hear static. The static does not go away until I press play, then everything sounds OK again. This is repeatable. That is, if I audition again, the crackling comes back.
     
    I tried the process again but used Dimension Pro. I get the same behavior with audition as I did with Session Drummer. The sound is awful and crackly. I restarted Sonar and tried it again with a new project and got the same thing. Audition is just not working for me.

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/06 22:14:37 (permalink)
    Hmm looks like buffers and latency now.
    Try upping the ASIO buffer size.
    Also try upping the buffers under Preferences -> MIDI -> Playback and recording -> Prepare using..
    (You could experiment with values).
     
    Also try disabling 64 bit double precision engine.
    Also check your driver settings in preferences...Ta...

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 06:43:04 (permalink)
    ASIO buffer was 64 and I increased it to 256
     
    MIDI prepare was 512ms and I increased it all the way to 1024ms
     
    I turned off 64 bit double precision engine 
     
    I tried it again at first, it looked like it was playing but there was no sound but then I got the "Not Responding" message again and Sonar crashed.
     
    I started a new project and tried audition again but with a Dimension Pro synth and it plays without crashing but there is no sound. If I just hit play, I hear sound but nothing when I audition.

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 06:58:47 (permalink)
    Hello. I think the root of your problem may be elsewhere.
    I vaguely remember an old post about this... I was looking for
    info on the same problem.
     
    Don't quote me but I THINK that when you audition from
    the quantize page, Sonar auditions through the Windows
    kernel.
    That means if you {have/don't have?} {the same/another? (E.G. internal card, yes I know that sucks)}
    interface set for Windows audio
    there will be a conflict(ASIO). WDM might be a workaround if that is true.
     
    Try setting Sonar AND the Windows audio to the same interface
    then try audition;
     
    Then try audition again using 2 different interfaces.
    hopefully one of these will work.
     
    Not at my DAW, so can not test 4 U.
     
    Mel 
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 07:11:18 (permalink)
    They were already set to the same, if I understand what you are saying.
     
    In Windows, at the bottom right hand side of the screen there is a speaker. If I click on that, and then mixer, it shows that my Profire 610 is the default device. Is that what you are talking about?
     
    Thanks for the info. I was really hoping (and believing) this was it.
     
    On the record side, I had Voicemeeter as the input. I changed it to Profire 610 as well and tried audition again. It looks like it plays the first time (no sound) but if I do it again, Sonar crashes.

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 07:25:21 (permalink)
    yes that is what I meant.
     
    I have edited my original post to reflect that I suspect the opposite
    of my original suggestion might also be a possibility.
    Again sorry I cannot test.
     
    Mel
     
    Edit: I know for sure I have used another interface to solve this issue
    in the BROWSER/audition since the X series.
     
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 07:32:17 (permalink)
    Also there is another thread about Everett
    breaking drum maps so the issue broadens.
     
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 07:34:31 (permalink)
    I notice our systems are similar;
    will test when in the studio and report.
     
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 07:50:01 (permalink)
    Thanks for the help!
     
    I set the Windows audio input and output to my internal sound card. I started Sonar and tried audition again but it crashed just like before.
     
    Each time I go into Sonar, I have to go to the preferences Drum Map Manager and re-assign one note to the drum map. I think this is the drum map bug that was introduced recently and will be fixed very soon.
     
    I ma curious if anyone else is able to audition?
     

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 12:03:15 (permalink)
    > I am running Sonar as Admin.
     
    OK try not running Sonar as Admin. That's my last guess .
    You might want to look at the Windows event viewer for more detail.
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/07 12:19:51 (permalink)
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    > I am running Sonar as Admin.
     
    OK try not running Sonar as Admin. That's my last guess .
    You might want to look at the Windows event viewer for more detail.


    :-)
     
    Thanks
     
    I think I have to run Sonar as admin or other things don't work. However, I can't remember what lol
     
    I am looking at the even viewer. There isn't anything obvious. I will keep looking.
     
    BTW I did the same steps in Sonar X3 but using Dimension Pro. It does not work either. I tried with Windows audio set to my interface and not set to my interface.
     
     

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/10 17:04:13 (permalink)
    I finally got a chance to call Cakewalk and they were able to reproduce this problem. I am hopeful they will fix it :-)

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/10 18:07:24 (permalink)
    I have had this happen earlier (cannot quite remember when). But now that it has reached the bakers, it will probably / hopefully be fixed (sooner or later).

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/10 18:44:57 (permalink)
    I tried it and don't get a crash but if i use a drum map like you there is no sound - if i remove the drum map the sound is back. The problem seems related to drum maps - or maybe we're are not using this option properly.
     
    For the crash - is you HD Audio activated (windows device manager) - if so disable it to see if it solve your crashes
     
    Good luck!
     
    PS. i'm using the latest Everett update
    post edited by baldaur - 2015/06/10 18:51:10
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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/06/10 20:59:05 (permalink)
    baldaur
    I tried it and don't get a crash but if i use a drum map like you there is no sound - if i remove the drum map the sound is back. The problem seems related to drum maps - or maybe we're are not using this option properly.
     
    For the crash - is you HD Audio activated (windows device manager) - if so disable it to see if it solve your crashes
     
    Good luck!
     
    PS. i'm using the latest Everett update


    Thanks!
     
    I disabled HD Audio in both Device Manager -> Sounds as well as System Devices.
     
    Unfortunately, Sonar still crashes.
     
    The very first time I tried, after disabling HD Audio, it didn't crash but there was no sound. When I tried again, it crashed. I power cycled my interface and restarted Sonar. This time, it crashed the very first time I tried to audition.
     
    Since Cakewalk was able to reproduce it, hopefully they will find something.

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    Re: PRV -> Quantize -> Audition causes a crash in Platinum Dorchester 2015/07/01 19:24:27 (permalink)
    FWIW I tried Process->Quantize->Audition in Foxboro and I have the same issue. Sonar locks up and has to be restarted.

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