AnsweredPRV velocity color (resolved)

Author
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
2014/04/10 16:39:49 (permalink)

PRV velocity color (resolved)

I like the color customization in X3 but I can't imagine anyone wanting the color to change when increasing/decreasing the velocity.
It's hard for me to tell what's what with a bunch of tracks open...is there a way to turn that part off?
I was poking around in prefs but couldn't find anything.
Thanks very much,
Randy
post edited by g_randybrown - 2014/04/11 15:35:09

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#1
stickman393
Max Output Level: -60 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1528
  • Joined: 2003/11/07 18:35:26
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/10 16:45:32 (permalink)
I've always liked that feature, if you're talking about the color intensity of the note bar varying in the PRV.
#2
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/10 17:09:30 (permalink)
Well maybe this will explain my issue...I just set up a template for all strings (violin, viola, cello and bass).
The colors are all shades of blue (light blue being violin down to dark blue being bass).
Working on a string arrangement and bringing the velocity of say a violin up to a certain point makes the color exactly the same as say the viola (not the intensity of it's color but the color itself changes) to where they are the same color.
Are we talking about the same thing?
 

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#3
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 09:30:01 (permalink)
I decided to bump this because I'm obviously missing something here or I would find other threads on my issue.
I can see this wouldn't be a problem (and be a nice feature) when working with a single track but how do you guys work with several tracks at a time (ie a strings arrangement)?
Is my only solution to make all the strings very different colors so that I can see one track as different shades of that particular color?
If I need to see the changes in velocities of an instrument I look at the controller pane (and usually draw in those changes in the controller lane).
So I guess my question is, how do you guys work with multiple tracks in PRV...otherwise is there no way I can turn off this feature?
Thanks for your patience,
Randy

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#4
icontakt
Max Output Level: -32.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4266
  • Joined: 2012/03/04 08:18:02
  • Location: Tokyo
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 10:06:17 (permalink)
I totally understand your point, and if I were you I'd submit a feature request. Most of velocity values in my project are between 80-120 and that's why I've never seriously suffered from the issue.

Tak T.
 
Primary Laptop: Core i7-4710MQ CPU, 16GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Secondary Laptop: Core2 Duo CPU, 8GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Professional OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Audio Interface: iD14 (ASIO)
Keyboard Controller/MIDI Interface: A-800PRO
DAW: SONAR Platinum x64 (latest update installed)
#5
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 10:26:57 (permalink)
Interesting...a feature request to get rid of a feature : )
Well thanks for the suggestion Jlien I'll do that but in the meantime I would think there is a workaround (surely others work with large dynamic ranges)...if not I suppose I'll just continue to pick a very opposite color when working on a line.
Thanks very much for your input Jlien,
Randy

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#6
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 14250
  • Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
  • Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 10:56:31 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby g_randybrown 2014/04/11 15:33:52
Set PRVColorizeVelocity=0 under Preferences > Files > Initialization File (goes in in the [WinCake] section of Cakewalk.ini).

SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424  (24-bit, 48kHz)
Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
#7
icontakt
Max Output Level: -32.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4266
  • Joined: 2012/03/04 08:18:02
  • Location: Tokyo
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 11:07:02 (permalink)
brundlefly
Set PRVColorizeVelocity=0 under Preferences > Files > Initialization File (goes in in the [WinCake] section of Cakewalk.ini).



Thanks for posting this, brundlefly. 
 
 
 
(Why didn't you chime in sooner? )

Tak T.
 
Primary Laptop: Core i7-4710MQ CPU, 16GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Secondary Laptop: Core2 Duo CPU, 8GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Professional OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Audio Interface: iD14 (ASIO)
Keyboard Controller/MIDI Interface: A-800PRO
DAW: SONAR Platinum x64 (latest update installed)
#8
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 14250
  • Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
  • Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 11:32:43 (permalink)
I posted as soon as I saw it and could look up the exact parameter name. It's worth going through the Initialization File section of the Reference Guide to see what else you might want to adjust.

SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424  (24-bit, 48kHz)
Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
#9
icontakt
Max Output Level: -32.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4266
  • Joined: 2012/03/04 08:18:02
  • Location: Tokyo
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 12:01:10 (permalink)
brundlefly
It's worth going through the Initialization File section of the Reference Guide to see what else you might want to adjust.

 
Tried that twice in the past and gave up on both occasions (it was a little too difficult for me but I'll try it once again in the near future). Wish Cakewalk had the right to make the Japanese version of Sonar manuals available from their site.

Tak T.
 
Primary Laptop: Core i7-4710MQ CPU, 16GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Secondary Laptop: Core2 Duo CPU, 8GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Professional OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Audio Interface: iD14 (ASIO)
Keyboard Controller/MIDI Interface: A-800PRO
DAW: SONAR Platinum x64 (latest update installed)
#10
stickman393
Max Output Level: -60 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1528
  • Joined: 2003/11/07 18:35:26
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 14:39:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby g_randybrown 2014/04/11 15:34:10
g_randybrown
I just set up a template for all strings (violin, viola, cello and bass).
The colors are all shades of blue (light blue being violin down to dark blue being bass).
Working on a string arrangement and bringing the velocity of say a violin up to a certain point makes the color exactly the same as say the viola (not the intensity of it's color but the color itself changes) to where they are the same color.
Are we talking about the same thing?
 



Yes, we are. It is for this exact reason that I use the following color coding for my string quartet arrangements:
1st violin = Gold
2nd violin = Green
Viola = Blue
Cello = Violet
Bass = Brown
 
I would never use the same color for these - how the heck do you distinguish them? OK, I understand your complaint about the Velocity/color tinting, but you are doing things the hard way.
 
As others have said, you can disable the color/velocity relationship, but to me it is much more useful to have different hues per instrument and leverage the velocity color fade.
#11
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:14:30 (permalink)
brundlefly
Set PRVColorizeVelocity=0 under Preferences > Files > Initialization File (goes in in the [WinCake] section of Cakewalk.ini).


Wow thank you brundlefly!
Unfortunately I need a little elaboration though...in that path I'm seeing an option box and a value box.
Would I type in "PRVColorizeVelocity" into the option box and 0 in the value box? 
I hate to sound like an idiot here but I really don't want to screw things up even more.
Thanks again,
Randy

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#12
scook
Forum Host
  • Total Posts : 24146
  • Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
  • Location: TX
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:17:39 (permalink)
Yes, there is an example in the help screen.
#13
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:22:25 (permalink)
stickman393
g_randybrown
I just set up a template for all strings (violin, viola, cello and bass).
The colors are all shades of blue (light blue being violin down to dark blue being bass).
Working on a string arrangement and bringing the velocity of say a violin up to a certain point makes the color exactly the same as say the viola (not the intensity of it's color but the color itself changes) to where they are the same color.
Are we talking about the same thing?
 



Yes, we are. It is for this exact reason that I use the following color coding for my string quartet arrangements:
1st violin = Gold
2nd violin = Green
Viola = Blue
Cello = Violet
Bass = Brown
 
I would never use the same color for these - how the heck do you distinguish them? OK, I understand your complaint about the Velocity/color tinting, but you are doing things the hard way.
 
As others have said, you can disable the color/velocity relationship, but to me it is much more useful to have different hues per instrument and leverage the velocity color fade.




Well my "clever" idea was to have them all different hues of the same color (lighter being high frequencies and darker being lower) so that I could easily see what was strings in a crowded PRV.
Before this I was setting the colors randomly and so my issue wasn't too noticeable but I may just copy your color scheme and commit it to memory.

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#14
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:24:53 (permalink)
Thanks Steve, if I didn't like it after setting it to zero can someone tell me how I would change it back? 

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#15
scook
Forum Host
  • Total Posts : 24146
  • Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
  • Location: TX
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:30:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby g_randybrown 2014/04/11 15:34:23
To revert the behavior set the value to 1 or delete the option completely
#16
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/11 15:35:57 (permalink)
Thanks everyone!

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#17
icontakt
Max Output Level: -32.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4266
  • Joined: 2012/03/04 08:18:02
  • Location: Tokyo
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/12 08:12:28 (permalink)
I've just tried PRVColorizeVelocity=0 but the note colors look a little too light overall for me so I think I'm going to keep using the default setting.

Tak T.
 
Primary Laptop: Core i7-4710MQ CPU, 16GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Secondary Laptop: Core2 Duo CPU, 8GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Professional OS (Japanese) x64 SP1
Audio Interface: iD14 (ASIO)
Keyboard Controller/MIDI Interface: A-800PRO
DAW: SONAR Platinum x64 (latest update installed)
#18
g_randybrown
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3522
  • Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04
  • Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/12 09:16:32 (permalink)
While I agree they are much lighter, I'll take that trade-off (thanks again brundlefly) and will live with it.
Even like this though I still feel there is too much variance in color when selecting and deselecting an instrument (ie black to light grey or brownish red to some shade of pink).
What I'd like to see is the colors not change at all but have maybe an outline around the perimeter of the note(s) to see what's selected...okay, okay I know...I'm off to do a FR
Thanks again everyone,
Randy

G. Randy Brown 
Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum
Intel Core i7-3770S
Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo   
4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 
500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS)
two WD Black 1 TB HDD
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 
Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
youtube.com/crystalclearnm
#19
Kev999
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3922
  • Joined: 2007/05/01 14:22:54
  • Location: Victoria, Australia
  • Status: offline
Re: PRV velocity color 2014/04/12 22:26:30 (permalink)
brundlefly
Set PRVColorizeVelocity=0 under Preferences > Files > Initialization File (goes in in the [WinCake] section of Cakewalk.ini).


That's great.  Colour consistency in PRV is something that I've been missing since Sonar 6.

SonarPlatinum(22.11.0.111)|Mixbus32C(4.3.19)|DigitalPerformer(9.5.1)|Reaper(5.77)
FractalDesign:DefineR5|i7-6850k@4.1GHz|16GB@2666MHz-DDR4|MSI:GamingProCarbonX99a|Matrox:M9148(x2)|UAD2solo(6.5.2)|W7Ult-x64-SP1
Audient:iD22+ASP800|KRK:VXT6|+various-outboard-gear|+guitars&basses, etc.
Having fun at work lately
#20
Jump to:
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1