Pan Petered Out - pftt

I have a large  file going on with lots of audio, EW strings and hardware synths. I now have a audio track that will not respond to the pan control. It is a recording of a synth sweep that really needs to pan hard left to hard right. It worked at one time but will not anymore. 
 
I have deleted the pan automation and, even with no automation, while just manually mousing the pan control, no joy. I have tried cloning the track to another, and still no pan control of that new track. Anyone no what might be broke ? It's in 6.2.1. The only one stable enough (for me) to run a file this large. Help would be greatly appreciated.
 

timidi


Any waves plug ins in the file?

No, nothing by Waves in this file. Quite a few UAD plugs though. NO fx on the track in question.
 
49 tracks total into 8 Lynx channels, 6 of which are stereo pairs. For softsynths, 1 intance of Realguitar 2, a couple instances of EWQLSO via fxTeleport and a Uniwire Muse Receptor running  1 instance of EW Colosus . Offending track is a audio recording of a Juno 106 sweep.

Yes it's stereo interleave. Not going to the master. Going to Aurora 1 left and right and from there  into the console channels 1 and 2 panned hard left and right. Was working fine last session. Now it just will not  pan. It seems to be stuck at about 45 deg left but currently shows centered.

bitflipper


Use the Channel Tools plugin to pan a stereo track, rather than the pan control. Automate the left and right Angle parameters.

That's a good idea Bit. I'll try that this evening. Thanks.
 
PS: What makes you suggest this rather that the usual pan controls ?

Have you tried copy and paste to a new track? And, make sure all the options in copy are unselected. 
Cloning will just copy your problem.

I guess it doesn't matter what it's called.  Pan, channel balance, whatever. I would still expect it make a signal appear 45deg left it's panned 45deg left or full right if it's panned hard right or centered if it's 12:00.

It also should not matter whether it is a mono or stereo track either. For example, (and I am talking about to the convertors now) how on earth would a person send a signal isolated  to output on channel one ONLY  without  it being panned hard left, or output 2 ONLY without panning it hard right. I mean, normal mixing console  conventions that we have used for the last 50 yearsm since the development of a stereo soundstage still apply today. 

Of course,  using Sonar's crappy lingo, "Lynx 1,3,5 and 7 stereo" is the essence of stupidity or maybe ignorance is the right word, when the Lynx Aurora doesn't, nor any other convertors that I know of have a  stereo anything. In my case, only channels 1 - 2 - 3 -4 -5 -6 -7-8. Nor for that matter does either of my consoles have stereo anything except a psuedo stereo master (channels panned hard left and right). 

In the real world, as you are well aware, if you want to present a stereo anything on a pair of channels, you would pan them hard left and hard right for a 180 deg representation of the soundstage. That said, with some unique phasing tricks, it is entirely possible to present a soundfield possibly as large as maybe 220 deg or even deeper. Iow, the sound can be made to seem as though it is coming from behind you.

But I suspect that some of Cakewalks software "engineers' wouldn't know a real recording mixer from a Cake mixer.


I seem to recall a bug respecting this matter a few years back. I know that there is nothing in the wav that would cause this. This is a "track" problem that occurs only on track 18 out of the 49 tracks in the project.

Curious. Was this file created in an older version of Sonar or ProAudio?

interesting for me,thanks

Ooh. Impressive! 
 
You did notice that I said "STABLE FOR ME" ?
 
Nah, you skipped right over that part.
So you gotter done smarta**. 
 
You obviously think that I and part of the  rest of the world are so stupid that we like to spend money on upgrades just to find fault where none exist.
Maybe you eeked by on your big old 75 track project so that means you will keep your trap quiet when your entire file beomes corrupt while recording track number 74 on the next. You can scrap that for sure. Or spend a couple of weeks trying to salvage it.

Generally speaking, I find that 8.5 was/is a LOT more stable and impervious to crashing/corruption than 6PE ever was.

I've yet to stress X1 in the same way - but I'm working on it.

No need to apologise mate, sometimes when you post on a an internet forum, the intended humour just doesn't come across properly and is seen as flaming. Believe me, that was never my intention.

I sincerely hope you get all your problems sorted out