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2010/10/18 12:39:12 (permalink)

Panning Problem

ok i went thru the steps, yes im on the Left channel where my pre is going in. now ill record down the center, then i would like to pan around,but for some odd reason the pan wont work. i did the searches i found nothing. thanks for any help.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 12:57:02 (permalink)
    So your recoridng onto a Mono track and during playback, you cannot pan, Is that correct?
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 12:58:39 (permalink)
    yes

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 13:10:03 (permalink)
    Is your mono track directed to your master bus and is your master bus directed to your main outs.

    When you pan hard left or right, do you see the rack meter do the same?
    now ill record down the center

    This remark concerns me, because sonar doesnt control your signal when its being recorded.
    What are you doing to make it dead center?


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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 13:26:57 (permalink)
    ok im recording on mono channel 1 left, so everything is center. yes it is going straight to the master bus and the meters stay the same. its  weird it just started happening last night.

    oh yeah im using a XLR to TRS balance cable to the insert of my fw1884, the pre is a GAP 73, if im doing something wrong please school me. thanks again

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 13:50:36 (permalink)
    You mean you are plugged into the input, not the insert of the FW1884, don't you? Not that that would have anything to do with your problem, I wouldn't think. It just would be weird to plug the pre into an insert instead of an input...

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 14:09:05 (permalink)
    no im using the insert to by-pass the 1884's pres, since im using an external pre no need to add more noise to the signal chain.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 15:54:11 (permalink)
    this is becoming a problem, is there a key binding i may have hit or something?


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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 16:10:37 (permalink)
    is there a key binding i may have hit or something?



    "o" for Offset mode? Are there "+" signs on all your volume and pan widgets?
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 16:28:33 (permalink)
    According to this thread here: http://forum.cakewalk.com...mpage=1&print=true

    They say that you should not use a TRS connector at the insert end according to the thread, but obviously you have it working, so it must not be crucial.

    I was not aware that the line in would be wired in parallel like that and go through the Pre's. That is both unusual and interesting.

    Again, sorry for the unrelated content. good luck solving your problem.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 16:29:07 (permalink)
    brundlefly



    is there a key binding i may have hit or something?



    "o" for Offset mode? Are there "+" signs on all your volume and pan widgets?


    No, thats not it either, i dont get it. If i start a new project the pan works fine, but for some odd reason 2 of my latest projects will not allow me to pan the tracks.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 16:34:04 (permalink)
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    According to this thread here: http://forum.cakewalk.com...mpage=1&print=true

    They say that you should not use a TRS connector at the insert end according to the thread, but obviously you have it working, so it must not be crucial.

    I was not aware that the line in would be wired in parallel like that and go through the Pre's. That is both unusual and interesting.

    Again, sorry for the unrelated content. good luck solving your problem.


    yeah, i figured i should go with a unbalanced cable, but like you said, it's working...lol.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 18:24:13 (permalink)
    Is it just one track?

    If so, move the wav file to a new track and see if it happens.
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 20:09:54 (permalink)
    Yeah, bounce to a new track and see if it stays. Also , go back to where it last worked fine and REALLY triple check ALL those settings, something got tweaked recently. Oooorrr, reset your computer (save whatever) to an earlier date when it was working and see it it's your computer. Then just undo the restore. This stuff can drive ya nuts. Take notes of changes you make too.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 20:16:17 (permalink)
    It is not his computer. He says he can start a new project and there is no problem. Only 2 recent projects with the "no panning" problem, which points to an anomaly inside of those projects, not a computer issue.

    So, something about those projects is different, but what?

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 21:13:20 (permalink)
    yeah i done all of the above and then some, this is so annoying, hmm imma give it a break just make some music...try to tackle this tomorrow, ill keep yall posted. thank you for all the help

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 21:22:48 (permalink)
    Yea, I agree with Prime. Something changed or got corrupt with those 2 projects/tracks. Usually bouncing to a new track will fix it, but according to Hitman, it didn't, so its looking like a project issue. Something like Offset mode, and Hitman said its not in offset mode, so its ruling all the obvious things out.
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/18 23:38:44 (permalink)
    Could changing the interleave from stereo to mono on the Master do this?
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/19 02:49:11 (permalink)
    Try this. See if you can reset the computer to an earlier date when all was well. THEN, take note of ALL yes ...all your setings. Then RESET to the current date. Set your settings to the day all was well. You should be able to see what was changed.  Depending on the size and speed of your system, it should take about 1/2 hour + or - a day..just kidding ...about 45min.
    I agree with everyone so I would try the.."where was I before things went south" position by  TEMP going back to when all worked and check settings.
    But that's just me. I double check at the least.

    I actually take a pic/vid of the setting so I don't have to write all the previous settings down.

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/19 03:16:56 (permalink)
    When you say the pan doesn't work, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that no matter where you have the pan controls the sound is always placed center field or do you mean it's panned to one side and panning the other results in silence/volume drop?

    If it's volume drop/silence I'd double check the offset theory. Remember that if you've accidently put yourself in offset mode, made a change to the pan and then gone back to envelope mode, the change is still there even though it's not reflected in the pan position. The only way you can see that change is back in offset mode.

    To check that do this.....

    1. Enter offset mode.
    2. Center the pan
    3. Switch back to envelope mode.

    If you mean the pan has no effect at all, I'm at a loss I'm afraid.
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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/19 19:37:48 (permalink)
    well i ended up exporting and creating new joints. man thanks for all the help. everything seems cool right now...smh

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/19 23:12:02 (permalink)
    Beautiful thing...hey man...can you send us one of those joints...LOL...LOL ....JUST KIDDING!!!

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/10/20 16:36:30 (permalink)
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    Beautiful thing...hey man...can you send us one of those joints...LOL...LOL ....JUST KIDDING!!!


    LMAO these Joints are for all!!!!!

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    Re:Panning Problem 2010/12/08 10:04:50 (permalink)
    Had the same problem, and more. Copying to a new track works, but it's a pain when you've got to replace 20+ tracks on something you've been mixing.

    I've had my su****ions for a while, and my last project confirmed this.

    We track through a digital console @ the studio where I work, and our track volumes are set @ 0db(like a tape machine), and since Sonar 6 we have been odd/even panning to get discrete mono tracks back to the console via ADAT(output are seen as stereo pairs).  I know we can use mono I/O now, but what about our older projects?

    This panning causes weird happenings if you want to adjust it after recording, mainly the panning won't go back center. On another note, if a track is saved as hard panned  with a mono input, you can change the input to stereo, pan center, and make sure the interleave button is on stereo, but it will not take a stereo input signal, you have to make a new track(and in the frenzy of setting up in a timely fashion, one must go with what works). I just don't understand why?

    Lately I have moved to mixing ITB @ my house and summing the stereo stems on the console(which is awesome, btw) as I live 30+ minutes from the studio, which is where this problem really started affecting my work flow.

    The project I am currently working on has developed even more weird happenings, including volume, and what sounds like signal degradation.

    My normal project work flow is start with a song and get it right, then once you are happy with the mix, copy the settings for the song to the next one you are going to mix(yes I only work this way when the tracks were recorded @ the same time and place) and start from there. I know that it won't be THE settings for that song and will need tweaks, but when I copied the settings from the first song I mixed to the second, my levels were outrageously distorted. So, i go back to the other song and notice my meters are peaking more than I thought.

    I solo the kick drum just to see what the raw file sounds like(no plugins), and it is barely there even when set to 0db, and I know what I recorded it with(RE20->ISA220->Distressor, pretty fat, plus the drummer is a monster with a monstrous kit!), which is how I usually track a kick drum.

    So, i make a new track, copy the audio and settings, and A/B the two. The audio on the new track @ the same settings stomps the original track @ the same settings. What would cause this? I know about offset mode, but this occurs regardless of offset mode, and the only way to fix it is to create new tracks to mix on. PITA.

    Started another thread last night about this problem.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2149794&high=envelope+offset


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