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2012/08/29 22:29:43 (permalink)

Panning problem!

I've got a number that I did I think in Sonar X1c originally.   Currently have Producer Expanded X1d, just re-opened the project to do some fine-tuning.  I have some tracks that are panned pretty hard (eg 75%, 86%), but everything is playing centered.  I can't for the life of me figure out why.  Read parameters are enabled.  I'm not finding anything in the path that should cause it to ignore the panning -- no clip panning, etc.  I've shut everything down and back on.  I've moved the panning to 100% and it's still playing back centered.
 
Any suggestions on what's causing it, something obvious I'm overlooking?
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/29 22:38:20 (permalink)
    Without knowing your system specs I would be guessing, but do you have a mono sum switch enabled somewhere,
    perhaps on your mixer, if you have a mixer. What about, did you freeze these tracks while in their panned position ?
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 03:38:17 (permalink)
    Are these Mono tracks or Stereo tracks?

    If they're mono (only 1 waveform visible) then they should pan as expected.

    If stereo, you need to look at the track interleave

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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 08:03:42 (permalink)
    I don't have an external mixer, all done on Sonar software.  These tracks are not frozen.  (For my learning, what does freezing them in the panned position do -- wouldn't that keep them panned anyway?)

    They are mono tracks.  I tried with and without track interleave on just to double check, made no difference.
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 08:31:33 (permalink)
    Obvious checks...
    Is there an FX in the Master that is mono?  or set to mono?
    Is the stereo button on the Master set to stereo?
    Does the output meter on the Master show a stereo signal? (The two meters move differently to each other)
    If you pan an individual track does the track meter show a stereo signal?

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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 08:55:44 (permalink)
    Checked all Fx, none are set to mono.  Turned off all Fx in whole project, no impact.
    Master DOES show a stereo signal.  If I pan Master, it pans appropriately.  But for tracks and busses does not pan.  (Signal path is vocal --> Lead bus --> Master.)  Track panning and bus panning has no impact; master panning works appropriately.  When I pan a track or bus, the signal meters still show a uniform stereo signal, no change from left to right.

    I opened several other projects, and everything pans appropriately, so it something specific to this project...
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 09:03:03 (permalink)
    More stupidity checks...

    Mono FX in a bus?
    Bus set to mono?

    What if you  send the vocal directly to the Master?  or directly to the soundcard output?

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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 09:17:47 (permalink)
    I checked all Fx in whole path, couldn't find any mono settings.  Turned each Fx off in Fx bin.  Also turned all Fx off for project in control bar.  No change.

    Same for each track in project, not just one track.

    Rerouted track to go directly to Master (bypassing bus).  Still pans at Master but NOT at track level.  Rerouted track to go directly to interface oputput, bypassing bus and master, this DOES allow the track to pan.
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 09:20:44 (permalink)
    Can you post a screen shot of a track you're trying to pan

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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 09:24:25 (permalink)
    What about your interface mixer?  Mine is always playing tricks on me if I don't doublecheck.

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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 10:03:27 (permalink)
    I don't have an interface mixer, so that's not it.

    Took a screenshot saved on my desktop, but not sure how to post it on this forum.  Image Insert gives me a request to Enter User URL.
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 10:11:33 (permalink)
    Offset mode?
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 10:12:11 (permalink)
    Sounds like the Interleave on the Master bus is set to mono because your tracks can be mono and still pan. Also you can set the Master to mono interleave and pan. This will not allow panning on tracks, but master still appears to pan (mono signal panning) So, I would use 'I' to open the inspector and look on the Master bus for the little blue light stereo signal button. (blue = stereo, gray = mono). If this doesn't work, use the inspector to inspect the interleave (stereo/mono) of the bus's and tracks. Mono FX as well.
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 10:32:44 (permalink)
    Interleave button was the issue.  I'd swear that was the first thing I'd checked on all channels and that I'd re-checked it.  My serum caffeine level has obviously been too low.

    Thanks!
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    Re:Panning problem! 2012/08/30 10:45:36 (permalink)
    Glad to help! :)
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