Paranoia

Interesting? I've never been into techno although it played at a club I went to for a bit.

Everything is mixed well. There is good structure and it's well thought out.

Well done!

Hey guys thanks for the feedback BOTR, yea it's the loudness war thing, I consider myself a very good mastering engineer these day's even though this track was all done in the box because my "real" compressors are in the box.
 
I say this because for this genre, on the Sonar meter I was aiming for -9db RMS, if it was something else I would not be pushing it like that, if you listen to any of my other tracks this would be by far the loudest.  This genre requires it to be like that.
 
Also BOTR, these sorts of tracks can be a little repetitive, so I understand about the bordem, there really designed for those on party enhancers, then all the little things I use to fill the track out really stand out and make you go "HELL YEA".
 
Thanks for listening guys
Peace Ben

Pretty cool sounds.  Wall of sound describes it well.  You're creative for sure.  Oddly enough I didn't really hear any bass (on cans which over amplify bass) but I didn't really miss it.  Interesting track

Robert Anthony

For a dance track, you shouldn't have to struggle to hear the kick and the rest of the beats.

No doubt there are a ton of cool ideas swirling around in this one, but if I am being honest, this really just comes off as self-indulgent.

No offense!

Hi Ben,

I just took a listen to both version.

I can't decide which version I like better.

There's a lot of cool stuff going on in there.

I agree the kick drum isn't there on crappy monitors (example my laptop speakers). But I can hear it on my crappy headphones. Might want to go back and have another go at the low end on this, unless that's how you want it, which is ok too.

When I listen to this it reminds me of a 60's horror movie soundtrack. None in particular, but I get that kind of feeling from it.

Thanks,

Bub

Yea when I rip out my mastering compressor I will go back and add more kick, the funny thing is I can hear it on my crappy laptop speakers.

but I have heard all of what you have said and will fix that problem.

Thanks Bub, yea your not suppose to feel nice when you hear this song, it is suppose to **** with your head.

Thanks for listening guy's and def will fix that kick.

Peace and Love Ben

 
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Sounds massive Ben!

Well James YoYo has just said I suck and can't sing can I get some perspective on this. 

If you all agree with him then, it might be time to give it away.

Peace Ben

jamesyoyo


Don't get all juvenile on us, Ben.

Most of us aren't pros, nor yearn to be one. You do. You spent the time and money to do just that. The only way to become pro is to suffer the slings and arrows. Tough criticism is fair if it is honest and it is delivered in a respectful manner, just as I did. If you want to go get all flustered and bitter like you did in that Techniques thread, don't bother.

And yes, sorry, but you can't sing anywhere near well enough to be considered professional. Honestly, there are only about two or three forum members who can. No shame in that.

Hey James, I wasn't I was just asking honestly about a 2nd opinion, my ego has taken a battering in the last week, I just want to know if I should quit, I am serious.
 
I don't understand the singing thing, most people say I have an excellent voice, no it's not normal and like everyone else's and what is singing anyway????  I mean opera singers are singer's I am not an opera singer.  But can you point out where I am out of tune.
 
Finally my music is all over the shop, quality wise because most of the stuff I have put up is old and I was not as good at audio production as I am now, of course the levels of each of the songs are going to be different, I am at least a good mastering engineer and understand levels, so there is going to be some softer stuff and some louder stuff.
 
Look I am an artist and I don't like genrefacation of music, should I make music that is more cohesive and stick to being this or that, I don't know.
 
I am going to start composing in a different way, soon, maybe this will deal with the cohesive thing.  I don't like the idea of a bunch of songs that all fit together, this concept is obsolete people buy singles.
 
Ok as I say all I want is a 2nd opinion.  This is not me haveing a tanty, I want opinions that is all.
 
Peace Ben

That's not an answer BOTR, I'm asking whether to continue, James has pointed out my flaws, thats all good, as I said I want opinion's.

Also James, I am a composer and I want to change things, I mean I have a peice that is classical but is doof.

So I am not really a pop composer, unless someone else here disagrees.

Peace Ben

Well, you have to admit that your line ,"James Yoyo just said I suck" when I did not, does kinda fall into the "thems fightin' words" category.

No one said you sing off key, as if that has anything to do with singing (Dylan, Petty, Katy Perry!)...but since you asked, Supermarket Girl and The Killing Song have so many bum notes that it kinda amazes me that someone with your training can't hear it.

Here's an idea: do a cover of a current pop hit. Sing it straight and do a respectful version of it. Then write a new song in the same structure, not with the goofball attitude and the manic voices I hear in a lot of your stuff. Pull that off and then you know you don't suck, only that your approach does.

Losers quit when they get defeated. Winners keep getting defeated until they figure out how to overcome it.

BenMMusTech


That's not an answer BOTR, I'm asking whether to continue, James has pointed out my flaws, thats all good, as I said I want opinion's.

Also James, I am a composer and I want to change things, I mean I have a peice that is classical but is doof.

So I am not really a pop composer, unless someone else here disagrees.

Peace Ben

I couldn't give an objective opinion as to continue or not? But I wanted you to know I listened? Sometimes that's half the battle...

Like when the Judge asked me, sir? Why didn't you listen when she said NO! And I replied, your honor? I was unclear how she was spelling it? It could have been with a K? like I want to Know Know Know you?

" But I wanted you to know I listened? Sometimes that's half the battle... "


I'm surprised you didn't understand more how this works :-(

Ok I can see where YoYo and Danny are coming from on the track Paranoia there are a couple of bum notes.  I don't know if Danny can judge this sort of music, though in terms of mix.
 
The problem here is philosophical and this is why I suggested some read Emerick's book on his time with The Beatles, bum notes galore and it has been harder to hide the mistakes as the technology got better with each remaster.
 
Hmm I will take what YoYo and Danny have said underadvisement and go back and try a little auto-tune and fix the bass problem as some have suggested.  After all it is dance music.
 
Ben 

Hey it is all subjective, this is the sort of music you pop party enhancers to.  Then it becomes understandable, all the stuff that goes on underneath comes out and whilst you are out of it, it becomes more enjoyable.

This is not the final mix/master, as Yoyo and James have pointed out the vocal's have flaws.  Also I have to fix the bass.

Peace Ben