bayoubill
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Pedal Board Fever
I really need a pedal board. The bass player( so you know he's gotta be right) suggests I get a pedal board that has amp/effects that I can plug into a PA. My chorus bit the dust tonight. Anyway, he told me when we play at the casino they don't use their amps and the former guitarist ran lines to the house board. Being a complete Maroon in this I have no idea what's out now. I could use my deluxe as a stage monitor. Would I be better off using a delay to OCD(distortion) to new chorus to wah? I Am old fashioned I guess. The former guitar player used a Line 6 HD500 but said it broke down alot. Can someone help? Is there a Santa Clause?
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 03:22:32
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There is now a line6 Hd500X but I haven't heard much about it. I'd love go get the FX8 but $1500 is just too much. The FX8 pedal is sold separately also
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 03:35:26
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Here you are with a new band, expecting to make money, and they want you to SPEND SPEND SPEND on an effects system, in ear monitors, new threads , etc... Its the craftsman, not the tools... BTW, a direct box to run your existing pedals into, is a lot cheaper than a 1500 dollar pedal board...OR look at Tec21 Sans Amp SansAmp products are designed to work seamlessly in both recording and stage environments. They can be used with almost any instrument, for any music style, and for multiple applications. Record directly to tape and disc or enhance previously recorded tracks. For live performances, they can drive a power amp and speakers, augment your existing amplifier set-up, or run directly into the mixer of a PA system.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 05:36:36
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Since I mentioned the FX8...
It's not $1,500.00 it's $1,349.95 and I'm sorry if that's splitting hairs but
when I'm looking at what I get for my dollar I want to know how many I'm thinking about.
Bill the real problem is that I think you're needing something now and with the FX8 you can't
just order it and get it in a few days anyway. Bummer.
It would be that or the AXE FXII for me. Anything else for stage AND studio work just doesn't seem to fit for me.
I'm not a salesperson so I'm not going into all the reasons or trying to lead you in a direction...I just like what
Fractal is doing and know where my dollars would go. It's also a new unit so thought I'd mention it for folks in case
they missed it.
Sure hope you find exactly what fits your needs.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
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bayoubill
I really need a pedal board.
when we play at the casino they don't use their amps and the former guitarist ran lines to the house board.
Can someone help? Is there a Santa Clause?
Hi Bill, I have no idea if there is a Santa Clause . I think if you throw a long white bead on that lobster in your avatar I could tell you there would be such a thing as a Santa Claws  You didn't mention if your band has it's own sound man or not for the Casino gig ? In a best case scenario your new band having it's own sound man is a Plus … if that is not the case you could go out and drop big money and still wind up sounding like $hit … I have no idea if I can be any help to you . Have you considered a low cost type of solution ? Something you can work with in the mean time ? Maybe something like a small low cost programable Mustang Amp that you could sent out to the house mains or even better this self contained fully programable pedal board …. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fender-mustang-floor-guitar-multi-effects-pedal With a little creative tweaking and programing the Fender unit may turn out to be a good low cost alternative to some of the more expensive choices that are out there . Good luck , I wish you the best in your search . Kenny
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 08:26:36
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Casinos usually have their own sound guy down here
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 10:20:53
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As much I wish you well with the new band:
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 11:21:03
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/12/10 13:05:08
Don't know exactly what you're looking for in a pedal board but two inexpensive ones to take a look at are the new Line6 AmplifIFX 100 and the Fender Mustang pedalboard. Both look interesting and, as I said, relatively cheap. I absolutely love my Mustang V2 III. 100 watts, loud as damnit and light as a feather...and the modeling is totally great. In fact, if you're a Fender amp fan and user, as I am, you won't believe how accurate these little amps sound. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 13:13:52
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Its the craftsman, not the tools... 
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 13:19:15
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Thanks Guys so much! I will have to make due with what I have cuz I don't have the money to get anything right now. I can use my Univibe in place of the chorus right now. Research is key!
P.S. I sure wish money grew on my tree cuz that FX8 looks awesome
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 14:41:38
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/12/10 14:46:57
I have a Mustang Fender V2 amp also, and if you want monitoring on the stage instead of the pedal board include the amp and the speaker. Setting it up though would take some time but it really is not all that hard and with the Fender Fuse program (needs IE on the computer) the amp can be also set up on the computer via the USB cord attached to it. The 100 watt amp has the XLRs out of it, and the other amps I do not know but would have to look at them and all of it to know about them. 20 watt http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Mustang1V240 watt http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Mustang2V2100 watt http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Mustang3V2Although I usually recommend nothing to anyone because everyone is different, and not a tube amp and not as loud as a tube amp. Probably not as versatile as a pedal board, just like a list and turn to the appropriate number for the song (after it is all set up). Some people say it is great, I say nothing because there is also a pedal (volume or effects) one can buy for it also, and don't you know, everything like this is easy to set up, until a person does it for real, and that takes reading the manual and working with the amp in the first place. Good luck though, because I probably would sit at home and not play with that band. (has something to do with a medical problem also - low energy, avoiding stress, etc.).  And this is another somewhat dumb post probably! As said though it has XLR outputs (voume can be adjusted) to hook right up to a PA, house system, whatever it would hook up to, and also can record out of the headphones jack with full cabinet (I think if remembering correctly) emulation (neighbors not disturbed). What you decide to do with or without the band though is up to you. I recommend nothing, nothing at all. And the one place with the jam sessions is like that with miking everything, but that does not mean that they don't play without amps either - they do, and also the drums make noise also.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 15:13:54
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Without a pre-amp and amp to me the pedal board is nothing, and then again at that place, the price just went up to play there - enough to put up with the place for the night. That may be over $1000, well, whatever the price would be. I'm not hard to get along with, just old, senile, and demented. For some that is normal in this world.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 15:17:27
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I've always found that it's much easier to recommend gear for other people to buy with their money than to do so with my own. Some of your band mates may feel the same way.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 18:02:06
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My band had a casino gig and it's the reason I bought a HD500. To me that is still the best all in one floor modeler out there, but the Zoom's, Digitech and Mustangs are not far off. The modeling is very usable in all of them. I would say the effects in the Digitech and Zoom are better than the HD500, but the modeling and routing options are much better in the HD500. Add a DT amp with the POD and you have a serious rig that will stand up to anything.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 19:40:33
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I had forgotten how good my Univibe sounds Still I wouldn't mind having some new toys
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/10 20:29:27
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The Zoom G5 has a good univibe.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 01:00:29
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The Pod HD 500x is on sale at Guitar Center for $358
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 08:10:32
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bayoubill
The Pod HD 500x is on sale at Guitar Center for $358
so even if you take what you made on the first gig, and buy that Pod, your still in the HOLE with this new band... btw, they said they dont use amps at the Casino because WHY???? is there backline already? using floor monitors for the whole band is a crap shoot, depends on the mix guy and the mix or they using IEMs? you have what, 54 pieces in this band then you need a monitor mixer with at least 4 separate buss outs so everyone can have their own mix, and even then, if someone turns up or down it screws up your custom mix ... monster crawfish should change their name to monster pita
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 09:17:22
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......Pita bread?
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 10:02:01
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......Pita bread?
yea they think Bills got lots of bread to spend just to join that "band"
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 11:36:20
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/12/11 14:02:38
Bill,
I have the HD500. It's never broken down on me yet and I've had it for almost a year.
I wonder if the fact that I have not taken it out of the box yet has anything to do with its stability?
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 11:45:51
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Bapu.....the man with gear that's everyones fear desire. Bapu....the Costco of musical gear. (Looks like an offer is in the air Bill.......or he's just braggin.) 
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 11:47:29
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No offers to honor here.
Just pointing out how lazy I am.
I actually purchased the thing to use when I have visiting guitarists. You see how often that happens.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 11:55:22
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No offers to honor here.
Just pointing out how lazy I am.
I actually purchased the thing to use when I have visiting guitarists. You see how often that happens.
Ewe don't knead a guitarist..........ewe got the Variax!! (runs for cover from Spacey......)
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 12:52:14
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I used a HD500 for four years, did 200 gigs with no issues. I got mine because of a casino gig that wouldn't hire us if we used backline. They wanted zero sound coming from the stage...so I bought a HD500, The drummer bought an Octapad and the bass player used a Sansamp. We had one monitor each and the soundman took it from there. I must say it sounded great and they loved us.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 12:53:02
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The fist rule of digital multi-FX is that the price of last year's model drops considerably when a new model comes out.
1. If you're running direct to the PA, presumably you want amp emulation as well as FX. Every company swears every model is just like the real thing, but they vary considerably and not consistently from amp to amp and company to company. So you want to make sure the type of amp emulation you actually want sounds good enough to you. Same with FX.
2. If you're running to the PA, you want separate outputs for your amp (if that's what you're using for monitoring) and a direct send for the PA. The amp out should be appropriate for a clean guitar amp/speaker and the PA out will be add more stuff to make it sound more like a guitar amp. Most of the serious entrants have this functionality.
3. Ease of use and editing are important.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 13:00:14
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I'm trying to decide if I should buy a new HD500X or try the Boss GT-100. I'm in no hurry, but I'm watching the sales closely. $358 for a new POD is pretty good.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 13:16:22
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clintmartin
I'm trying to decide if I should buy a new HD500X or try the Boss GT-100. I'm in no hurry, but I'm watching the sales closely. $358 for a new POD is pretty good.
I've had both Boss and Line6 digital multi FX and let's say I've never been in love with the sound of most Boss digital FX. They're definitely usable with tweaking, but not really my thing generally. YMMV. OTOH, Line6 seems to insist on giving you 800 models of everything to scroll through to find what you want and severely limit what you can tweak on each model. Mostly I prefer FX with the letters "MXR" (or various other things) printed on top. There are various amp models I really like and really dislike from both Boss and Line6.
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Re: Here I Go Again With The Deja Vu Danny?
2014/12/11 13:17:58
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But we all have to remember that Bill's new band is "really used to" the HD500 (old habits die hard).
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