wicker1000
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Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
Hi folks, Never done this before...here's a first attempt recording/mixing on X1. Total amateur/hobbyist, so I have no illusions. And the musicanship 'is what it is' as they say. But I figure I gotta start somewhere - so here's an acoustic Peggy-O. If you don't care to invest 5 mins, you can stop short after the dobro solo at 2:34. EDIT - Prior version had 3 vocal tracks cloned. I undid that and reposted here with one simple vocal track in the mix. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=772053&songID=11530480 My goal is to improve definition (spatially), keep a soft/acoustic vibe, and eventually achieve a well balanced mix that makes the best of the audio tracks. Thanks for the constructive advice! wicker1000
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wicker1000
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/25 18:45:53
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Ahhhhh...just researching Phase issues and the Haas trick. Pretty sure my vocals got hit by the Phase demons due to some uninformed use of cloning and panning. Still would like opinions though...
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/25 19:20:49
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For the main vocals, I generally put the doubles like 10% R & L and the main one up the center. Blend the levels to glue everything together. If you want to play around with diffusing it a bit, try the VX-64 and switch on the Doubler, adjust the Presence & Stereo to taste. If you inverted the phase of one of those vocal clone tracks, I would put it back to being in phase. Hope that helps!
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/25 21:05:27
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Hi,
Since you did not track your vocal but simply used the same source in 3 places, you are getting phasing. You voice in my cans is more left heavy. I think it would be great to just use once track with some nice stereo reverb for ambience. The guitar sounds really good and the dobro. Treat your vocal like the dobro and see.
Love the song. Good job. Keep it really simple. You have a nice thing hear - don't worry about all the technical stuff is my best advice at this point. Try to go for the best vocal/guitar sound with simple miking and mixing.
Love the song and vocal delivery.
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wicker1000
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/25 22:48:07
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Hey thanks guys. Rimshot, you're right...I am probably overdoing it with the vocals here. I redid it with a simple, single vocal thread, interweaving with the dobro licks. Seems more fitting with this traditional Scottish folk song. (And no phase issues). This is the updated mix. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=772053&songID=11530480 I'd love additional feedback. I also decided to use a Perfect Space reverb bus (instead of individual reverbs on the tracks). thanks again wicker1000
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/25 23:26:31
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Hi wicker1000,
Better but now the vocal is too soft! Acoustic is nice and I like reverb on all. Dobro is loudest. Bring lead up to that level, bring the dobro back. Pan drums a little left and the dobro a little right. Add some real topend to vocal at like 2db at 12K. Try that. Coming along nicely. Really nice song.
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/28 18:04:18
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Your first effort, eh? Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I say that because I like it. Shades of Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead. One neat trick that I just learned is to clone your lead vocal, pan one 100% left and the other 100% right and put one of them out of phase. It's a psychoacoustic trick that seems to make the lead vocal leap out of the speakers and stand in front of everything else. I usually works best in an arrangement that's sparse like yours. Nevertheless, I like this song a lot. Keep em coming.
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/29 10:57:29
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I redid it with a simple, single vocal thread, interweaving with the dobro licks. 
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/29 16:55:01
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this is a great start James. i didnae hear the original but this one sounds pretty good. now let's have something unique!
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/29 21:48:20
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What I would like to hear (my opinion in other words).
I think that the compared to everything else, the dobro is way too loud while you are doing the vocals. On top of that it is too close to the center so it really distracts from the vocals. I would cut the dobro by at least 6db while you are singing. I think its volume is about right while it is the lead though. I would also pan it much further to the right to get it away from your voice. If I knew what I was talking about this might be a good place to sidechain. I think that there is just a touch too much reverb on the dobro.
I think that the volume and intensity of your vocals needs to come up a bit (quite a bit). I would throw more compression on the voice to let it compete with the other sounds.
I also think that the guitar, along with your voice needs to come up in volume. If you can bring the guitar and vocals up by 6db or so I think the dobro might be good where it is.
Good performance. This was nice to listen to how it sits now. It will be better (for my ears) with a little more work mixing.
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Re:Peggy-O - rough mix (advice please?)
2012/03/29 22:45:15
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Why is everyone's first attempt better than my 1000th? :(
I got a new laptop with some pretty good speakers and it translates extremely well.
Excellent song, excellent singing, excellent everything on this.
Only thing I noticed is, the dobro lead volume needs to come down or everything else up. Be careful though. You are within an 1/16th of an inch of being done on this. The other thing, the acoustic sounds warbly at the very end. Don't know if it's chorusing or what it is, but hardly worth mentioning.
Loved it.
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